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Hi Vlad - well, the correct answer would be "it depends" (man, Sir Doug is 
getting Mt. Dew royalties even during the holidays!). I agree with Syed, 
you can use C SAM to locate and characterize PWB delamination with the 
selection of proper frequencies and transducers. However, you are correct 
in that not all PWB delaminations can be analyzed due to the PWB 
construction details of some PWBS. Thicker PWBs with multiple internal 
layers due cause reflections that make a delamination analysis impossible. 
I have successfully used the C-SAM methodology many times to characterize 
PWB delamination but as with all analysis technologies, there are limits.

Happy Holidays

Dave Hillman
Rockwell Collins
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Re: [TN] PWB Delamination Detection by C-SAM






Well, I don't think so. the higher frequency ones are used for a component 
analysis/imaging as the signal won't go deep and will dissipate from any 
interface. With all the fibers in a PCB, reflection mode will show feww 
too many peaks/echos.

Regards,

Vladimir

----- Original Message -----
From: Syed Ahmad <[log in to unmask]>
To: 'TechNet E-Mail Forum' <[log in to unmask]>; Igoshev, Vladimir
Sent: Fri Jan 02 11:06:21 2009
Subject: RE: [TN] PWB Delamination Detection by C-SAM

With higher frequencies and reflection, exact location within layers could 
be determined. 

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Igoshev, Vladimir
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:21 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] PWB Delamination Detection by C-SAM

Unless it's so thick that no signal will go through it should work. That 
is why  a low frequency trancducer is used and that is why it should be a 
through mode - it won't tell where (which layers) but the location (X:Y)

Vladimir

----- Original Message -----
From: Bev Christian <[log in to unmask]>
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>; Igoshev, Vladimir
Sent: Fri Jan 02 09:14:24 2009
Subject: RE: [TN] PWB Delamination Detection by C-SAM

But won't it depend on how thick the board is - how many layers?  If it
is a really thick one and the delam is in the middle...
Bev

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Igoshev, Vladimir
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 9:13 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] PWB Delamination Detection by C-SAM

Hi Victor,

Through scan with a low frequency (30 or 15) transducer should be able
to do it.

Regards,

Vladimir

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Fri Jan 02 09:09:57 2009
Subject: [TN] PWB Delamination Detection by C-SAM

Fellow TechNetters: 

   Searching for supporting information on non destructive analysis with
C-SAM to confirm raw board delamination. 

Victor,

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