But you may have to twist their arm to get them to help.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D.
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 12:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Metal particles on the PCB
For the ones that are assembled, cut down an ESD-safe bristle brush about halfway and have professional board cleaners Igor Vodic and Reginald Lisowski brush them off. If more help is needed, Reggie's cousin Richard Afflis can help. I don't have their contact information, but I am sure you can google 'em up.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ioan Tempea
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Metal particles on the PCB
Steve,
They are on top of the solder mask indeed. The boards are panelized with V-grooves.
We are giving the supplier some A-dollar-dollar kicking, as suggested by Richard, but we only caught the problem after partly assembling the PCBs, so replacing them becomes very hard to do.
Thanks for your help,
Ioan Tempea, ing.
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De : TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] De la part de Steven Creswick Envoyé : 28 janvier 2009 11:34 À : [log in to unmask] Objet : Re: [TN] Metal particles on the PCB
Ioan,
Pardon me if this has already been commented on. Have been falling behind in my Techie e-mails.
I've also seen something like this before, but it was related to 'over-activation' prior to electroless plating. In that case, however, the slivers and feathers were under the solder mask. These look like they are on top of the solder mask....
Are they on top of the mask? Or below?
If on top - is there a slitting, routing, etc. operation somewhere along the board fab line that is creating the debris on your boards by transference...?
If below the solder mask - check on plating issues.
Steve C
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of stephengregory5849
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Metal particles on the PCB
Hi Ioan!
Got your pictures finally and have them posted now, they're here:
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Photo_002.jpg
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Photo_004.jpg
I've seen something like this before, and it was caused by overetching which
caused plating slivers. Luckily, we found these before we populated the boards. We rejected the boards back to the fab vendor and had them replaced for new ones. We rejected them because of the possibilty that minimum electrical clearances were being violated.
Steve
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From: "Ioan Tempea" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 1:48 PM
Subject: [TN] Metal particles on the PCB
Dear Technos,
I have these PCB shaving a lot of small, but visible with unaided eye, Au or
Cu particles on them, all over. I have sent Steve a couple of images, but in
the mean time I would like to state my questions.
As per IPC-A-610D, 10.4.2, this is a defect condition. The exceptions at
5.2.6.1 say this would be acceptable if the particles were entrapped in
flux, which is not the case.
Big part of the litter goes away if wiped with alcohol soaked cloth, but not
all. Brushing will not remove the leftovers, which seem to be well attached
to the soldermask, but a solid nail scratching will.
First of all: is this a defect?
Secondly, are there any better methods to clean than what I have tried?
Plasma and other funky methods are not an option and solvent cleaning is
probably not either, since the boards are already populated on one side with
no-clean flux.
Thank you,
Ioan Tempea, ing.
Ingénieur Principal Fabrication / Sr. Manufacturing Engineer
30 ans déjà! - Already 30 years!
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