Hi Aleks
Thanks for the note and analogies. Very true that there is a cultural bias
to all languages.
I have a friend, American born and of Japanese decent who emigrated to Japan
and learned the language by speaking mostly with his Japanese wife and
Japanese men folk in Japan would tell him that he talked like a woman.
It can be a lot of fun being human :-)
Very best,
Joe
In a message dated 1/23/2009 6:33:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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Hi Joe,
Interesting comment, but I think there are data transfer and feelings
transfer (cotton-velvet). Like for example (may be not the best): you will
plate acid copper 1 mil at 20 ASF within 57 min will be similar in every
language (cotton), but how to plate HAR, isolated traces, blind vias, etc
required some "velvet" with "cotton":)
I am not a language specialist, but believe that every language has its
nuances and depth . Like some people say Bedouins has about 80 words for
camel and only one for snow, in Russian one word for camel and many words
for snow. So if Russian will describe camel for Bedouin it will sounds very
"cotton" for him and opposite about snow.
Aleks
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Fjelstad" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC English
Thank you Aleks,
Russian is a lovely language that I am confident I will never really
master.
A Russian friend fluent in English used the analogy of cloths to compare
the
two languages noting that English is like cotton, very functional and
utilitarian but Russian is more like velvet with layers of subtlety and
depth. I
have gotten a glimpse of that from what I know but unfortunately not the
full
grasp yet.
Joe
In a message dated 1/23/2009 10:51:16 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
Hi Joe,
Like in old joke: "My English getting gooder-r and gooder-r - no
R-r-russian
accent!". "Spee-cee-bo" very close to real, but use "spa" instead if
"spee":)
Aleks Lozinsky
Technic Canada
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Fjelstad" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC English
I am not fluent but have found Russian pronunciation is quite structured.
If
you know the sounds of the letters you can figure out how to say it.
That said, there are some words that folks say differently than they are
spelled out of custom but knowing the correct way and using it for
emphasis
"Thank you" is written phonetically as "spi cee bo" but is commonly
pronounced
"spi cee ba". Some folks I know will use the former for extra emphasis.
Sort
of like "Thank you!" versus "thanks"
Joe
In a message dated 1/23/2009 6:32:55 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
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It sounds like you were learning a VERY broken Russian :-)
Vladimir
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Louis Hart
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 9:15 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC English
Congratulations to all you TechNetters who've learned English. (I think
George Bernard Shaw recognized the possible existence of ghoti that Inge
showed
us.)
Having studied variously German, French, Portuguese, Italian, Spanish,
when
I got to Russian and found that the same sound could be represented by é,
ê,
or éê, and that ç, in a few pronouns, was pronounced as ÷, I noticed
myself
getting rather irritated. After a little while, however, the thought
occurred
to me - what must learners of English have to deal with?
Louis Hart
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hernefjord Ingemar
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2009 8:51 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] English
yeah...agree...not easy to pronounce english words..
no wonder some people don't understand a ounce
e.g 'ghoti'
anyone who can read what it is?
It's 'fish'
f as in laugh
i as in women
sh as in station
Inge
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