Ooooh - you can go off some people...

Here in Jolly Old Blighty we have a storm passing through. Chilly but  
not freezing and a load of wet stuff overnight. But I will be on the  
golf course come Saturday!

TTFN

Graham

On 20 Jan 2009, at 22:52, John Burke wrote:

> Hmmmmm, how's the weather in England Graham? - CA is about 70  
> degrees and
> sunny....8-)
>
> John Burke
> (408) 515 4992
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Naisbitt
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:07 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>
> THAT is a contradiction in terms!
>
> On 20 Jan 2009, at 19:33, John Burke wrote:
>
>> Inge - I am English........
>>
>> But I do live in California!!!
>>
>> John Burke
>> (408) 515 4992
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Inge [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 9:48 AM
>> To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; John Burke
>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>
>> John, what kind of a american are you? Thought all of you were 100%
>> occupied
>>
>> by the installation of the new leader? Anyway, my warmest
>> congratulations..new hope, new intentions, new decisions etc,
>> Ciao
>> Inge
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Burke" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 6:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>
>>
>>> The chicken crossed the freeway,
>>> So black and so wide,
>>> 'Cos he saw more gold on the other side,
>>> Applied it to products as he saw fit,
>>> And all he got was a pile of @@@@@
>>>
>>>
>>> John Burke
>>> (408) 515 4992
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey
>>> (EHCOE)
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 5:50 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> John and Inge,
>>> You two are like chickens crossing the road; poultry in motion.
>>> Dewey
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hernefjord
>>> Ingemar
>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2009 2:10 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> the funuity level is such
>>> originuity issue in touch
>>> is more or less forgotten
>>> when Dewity ponbow is tauten
>>>
>>> Inge
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
>>> Sent: tisdag 20 januari 2009 00:21
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> If more than a flash of Au you seek
>>> There is a bad future and here is a peek The experts here have  
>>> showed
>>> the way Ignore them and expect floods of RMA.
>>>
>>>
>>> John Burke
>>> (408) 515 4992
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Whittaker, Dewey (EHCOE)  
>>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 6:09 AM
>>> To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; John Burke
>>> Subject: RE: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> Although your response was timely, mine was more winely.
>>> I was referring to the finish with complex overtones of my
>>> intoxicating
>>> humor. If you were expecting gold flash, but got a substantial (50
>>> micro-inches) amount of hard gold, that could be problematic.
>>>
>>> So allow me to be so bold
>>> To warn of all that gold
>>> At times it offers entitlement
>>> And others just embrittlement.
>>>
>>> Dewey
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 2:49 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> As in Rolex?
>>>
>>> John Burke
>>> (408) 515 4992
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey
>>> (EHCOE)
>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 11:44 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> Augh! You can never have too much Au, unless it's more flash than
>>> substance.
>>> Dewey
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Werner  
>>> engelmaier
>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 12:35 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi richard,
>>> where do these PCBs come from? Not everything called ENIG is in fact
>>> immersion Au--thus, you can have too m uch Au.
>>>
>>> Werner
>>> Future workshops:
>>> Pb-Free Soldering Processes: Survival, Quality, Reliability-
>>> PROBLEMS &
>>> SOLUTIONS, March 3, IPC/JEDEC Santa Clara, CA Solder Joint
>>> Reliability:
>>> Part 1-Solder Joint Reliability Fundamentals, March 29, IPC EXPO/ 
>>> APEX
>>> Las Vegas Pb-Free Soldering Processes: Survival, Quality,
>>> Reliability:
>>> PROBLEMS & SOLUTIONS, March 30, IPC EXPO/APEX Las Vegas
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Thayer, Wayne <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Sent: Fri, 16 Jan 2009 11:02 am
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My vote says this is not ENIG--it is ENEG!
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard
>>> D.
>>> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2009 10:48 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> I expanded the images and I am sending them back to Steve for
>>> re-posting. I can see a lot of flower-petal patterns, a lot of rod
>>> and
>>> cone structures just above the IMC. It appears as if there are very
>>> heavy gold intermetallics along the top of the IMC, and the gold
>>> nucleated back towards the IMC from the solder ball.
>>> The IMC layer is very thin.
>>> The solder between the edge of the soldermask and the edge of the  
>>> pad
>>> causes the pad edge to look like they curled at the edges, but I
>>> think
>>> you can see that it is just the crack curling downwards inside of  
>>> the
>>> sol der. Full reflow obviously took place because the solder melted
>>> down
>>> the sides of the pads and filled the space between the soldermask  
>>> and
>>> the curled edges of the pad. In the image taken near the center of
>>> the
>>> pad, it is obvious the crack propogated through the solder in some
>>> areas.
>>> The crack along the entire length of the pad and down the sides
>>> indicates severe stresses due to either the vibration forces or the
>>> CTE
>>> from the temperature cycling, or both. The crack probably formed
>>> due to
>>> the brittle nature of the IMF, what with having the worst possible
>>> combination of ENIG, lead-free solder, and lateral stresses. There
>>> are
>>> some voids with flux debris above the whole thing that tend to
>>> confuse
>>> the issues going on.
>>> Steve, I am sending my expanded image to you for posting separately.
>>> Thanks.
>>> Richard
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Igoshev,  
>>> Vladimir
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:42 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> Thank you for sending me the image. Honestly, I don't quite
>>> understand
>>> what I see. The finish doesn't look like ENIG and the cavity above
>>> something that DOES NOT look like a typical intermetallic shouldn't
>>> be
>>> there, not to mention a "hair-like" something (crack?????) above the
>>> cavity.
>>>
>>> It looks like a proper joint had never been formed. Can you ask the
>>> lab
>>> to slightly etch the section?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Vladimir
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Tan Geok Ang
>>> To: Igoshev, Vladimir; TechNet@IP
>>> C.ORG
>>> Sent: Thu Jan 15 20:09:33 2009
>>> Subject: RE: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>>
>>> About 1.05um
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Igoshev, Vladimir [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Friday, 16 January 2009 9:01 AM
>>> To: Tan Geok Ang; [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The info I'm asking about is at the bottom of the images you sent to
>>> Steve. You should be able to read from the originals what it says
>>> (how
>>> many
>>> microns)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Vladimir
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tan Geok Ang <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>; Igoshev, Vladimir
>>> Sent: Thu Jan 15 19:53:13 2009
>>> Subject: RE: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> The service lab has not come out much information at this time. Will
>>> input you once I have the information. Thank you.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Igoshev,  
>>> Vladimir
>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2009 10:50 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> It looks like there could be something fishy in the intermetallic
>>> layer.
>>> GA, can you tell me please what is the reading on the micron bars?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Vladimir
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Gregory
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:05 AM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [TN] Possible cause on open
>>>
>>> Mornin' Everbody!
>>>
>>> Well, here in Tulsa, we're just like a lot of other people in the
>>> country this morning, trying to stay warm. Right now we're sitting  
>>> at
>>> -10 C. with a wind chill of -15 C. It's supposed to be colder
>>> tomorrow...
>>>
>>> GA, I have your pictures posted now. They're at:
>>>
>>> http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Fracture1.jpg
>>>
>>> http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Fracture2.jpg
>>>
>>> Hopefully someone can give you some ideas...
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> ________________________________
>>>
>>> From: Tan Geok Ang [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 7:27 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]; Steve Gregory
>>> Subject: Possible cause on open
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Steve,
>>>
>>>         Please help to download these pictures TechNet, thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi All experts,
>>>
>>>         Testing (combine test of 16G at 85 oC) was performed on
>>> evaluation boards with under-filled BGAs. Open issue (cracks) was
>>> detected only at some corners of the BGA (35x35mm with 1156 balls)
>>> after
>>> the test. Lead-free process and PCB with ENIG surface finish. Peak
>>> temperature is 248 oC with a 65 sec above
>>> 217 oC.
>>>
>>> FYI, the service lab has not come out a report.
>>>
>>>         What are the possible causes? (CET mismatches, Lead-free
>>> alloy related, material, processes)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>         Thank you in advance.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> GA Tan
>>>
>>>
>>>
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