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Brian Ellis <[log in to unmask]>
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Tue, 27 Jan 2009 11:59:51 +0200
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Not just information and misinformation but, worse, disinformation.

Brian

Joe Fjelstad wrote:
> Thanks for your comments, Bob. 
>  
> I posted the item without comment for purposes of getting discussion (such  
> as you have offered) going. 
>  
> There are many in this forum who share your sentiments. (I saw as  I was 
> writing that one of those stalwart souls has made this known to  you... :-) 
>  
> Yes, there has been a lot of information and misinformation put out over  the 
> last several years that has become incorporated as part of a belief system  
> without fully testing the premises but then there are legislative forces at  
> work that are push many in our industry to put on a brave face and  soldier on. 
> Until there is relief, there are few alternatives but we are  agreed that 
> recycling is one of the big ones that can be used to  cut the Gordian Knot)   
>  
> Fortunately, the truth has a way of finding its way back to the  surface no 
> matter what is tossed on it. (your response a case in point... :-) 
>  
> Thanks again for sharing your thoughts and experiences, Bob. 
>  
> Best wishes, 
> Joe 
>  
> PS you may wish to duplicate your response on TechNet as not  everyone is on 
> both forums.     
>  
>  
>  
> In a message dated 1/26/2009 6:33:16 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
> [log in to unmask] writes:
> 
> Joe,
> 
> This article is full of misinformation.  The following  is one glaring 
> example:
> 
> "For commercial applications, lead-free  components are plenty reliable. Tin 
> whiskers are not likely to grow on the  components in your cell phone or 
> television. Plus, consumers don�t expect a  commercial electronic product to last 
> more than a few years. In military and  space applications, however, systems 
> have to last decades, facing extreme  weather, temperature and vibration." 
> 
> There is no truth to the  statement that only extreme weather, temperature 
> and vibration cause tin  whisker growth.  How do you explain whiskering in air 
> conditioned  computer rooms, in heart pacemakers (FDA recall of a Medtronic 
> device)?   The fact is current science does NOT know what causes whiskers to 
> grow; if we  did we could experiment with mitigation strategies much more easily.  
>  Yes, high temp and humidity seem to accelerate growth but that is not  
> conclusive.  I ask each of you - do you expect to throw away your  refrigerator, 
> HDTV, automobile, heart pacemaker... "in a few years"?  If  we are doing this to 
> help the environment, tell me how throw-away electronics  is good for the 
> environment?  Anyone here for RECYCLING?
> 
> The  following is a really silly statement:
> 
> " �Most companies in the exempt  industries are using COTS parts,� said Gary 
> Nevison, legislation and  environmental affairs manager at Newark. �They�re 
> using lead-free components  primarily because nothing else is available. But 
> they take additional  precautions to ensure high reliability.�
> 
> One of those additional  precautions is dipping lead-free components in lead 
> to enhance  reliability."
> 
> Dipping parts in lead isn't mitigation, it's  remanufacturing!  And yes, it's 
> VERY expensive.  I find it somewhat  good news that Avnet is considering a 
> lead dipping service for it's customers  but what will happen to the original 
> part warranty?  Because Avnet is an  authorized distributor, will they also be 
> an authorized  re-manufacturer?
> 
> Here's some more nonsense: "Lead was originally added  to tin to mitigate the 
> tin whisker problem."
> 
> My word, that's news to  me!  Stop the presses!  NO, that is NOT TRUE.  
> Tin-lead is a  eutectic connection alloy that works well for conductivity, 
> ductility, and  vibration resistance.  Tin whiskering was discovered in the 1960s at 
> Bell  Telephone in switching centers. Cadmium whiskers were found in radio 
> equipment  in WW II.
> 
> Still more misstatements:
> 
> "�People have done a lot of  work developing mitigation strategies such as 
> evaluating lead-free finishes  that are less of a problem,� said Brady. �Plenty 
> of people are spending their  careers on this topic.� These efforts have met 
> with success, but they tend to  be expensive."
> 
> There is NO, repeat, NO lead free alloy that eliminates  tin whiskering.  Use 
> 3% lead if you want to suppress  whiskering.
> 
> Read the materials at the NASA website  (http://nepp.nasa.gov/WHISKER/) - the 
> truth shall set you free (but it will  scare the hell out of you).
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Bob Landman,  President
> Senior Member, IEEE PES, Reliability Society
> H&L  Instruments, LLC
> Electro-Optics for Industry & Science
> 34 Post Road,  PO Box 580
> North Hampton, NH 03862-0580
> (tel) 603-964-1818 (fax)  603-964-8881
> www.hlinstruments.com
> 
> 
> -----Original  Message-----
> From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Joe  Fjelstad
> Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 6:36 PM
> To:  [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [LF] link to EDN article of possible interest  (EOM)
> 
> http://www.edn.com/article/CA6630671.html?nid=3351&rid=1549644147
> 
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