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Andy:
 
Check out the website. Actually Cpk 1.66 = 5 sigma, cpk 1.33 is =  4 sigma. One will need a cpk of 2 in order to get to the 6 sigma region.       
The averge is about .15mm which is around 6 mil.  This is another thing that our process engineer cannot answer me directly why the solder paste dispoisition is 1 mil more than the the stencil thickness on average? Any help? 
 
http://www.isixsigma.com/library/content/sigma_cpk_conversion_table.asp
 
I dont know what the sample size the software is using. I am still waiting for the answer from the SPI manufactuer. 
 
> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:29:30 -0800> From: [log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [TN] What are the industrial standards for Solder paste printing limits?> To: [log in to unmask]> > Hi Rudolph,> > If I'm not mistaken, a 1.66 Cp means you're satisfying across 10 std > deviations, not 6. Measuring across 6 std deviations would yield a Cp > of 1.0. However even with inclusion of outliers, especially for > printing a high volume batch, reaching a 1.66 using a 25% tol would be > achievable. What is your std deviation and sample size?> > Regards,> Andy> > > Quoting Rudolph yu <[log in to unmask]>:> > > Hi Andy:> >> > In theory, I think the Panasonic SP18 should be able to achieve 1.66 > > cpk. But the data that we collected is not pointing to that..> > One reason I think is due to the outliners that we are having > > difficulties to remove from the calculation. (using the software > > that comes with the SPI machine)> >> > I was just reading couple papers on the internet, and people are > > using +/-50% USL/LSL for their experiments. I just wish I could find > > some literature that says 50% is the industrial standards. If I > > feel more comfortable to set the process control limits at +/- 25%.> >> > Rudolph> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:17:20 -0800> From: [log in to unmask]> > >> Subject: Re: [TN] What are the industrial standards for Solder > >> paste printing limits?> To: [log in to unmask]> > Hi Rudolph,> > > >> What's your mean and std dev? With 5 mils thickness for 50% > >> tolerance, > the USL would be 7.5 mils and LSL is 2.5 mils. This > >> tolerance is a bit > too high. I think 25% is a more reasonable > >> tolerance, unless there are > no-loads that you're taping with tape > >> on the stencil. This will create > a larger gap, and thus much > >> thicker deposits. Even with 25%, you > should be able to get > >> process cap index of 1.66 across 6 std deviations.> > Andy> > > >> > >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: TechNet > >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rudolph yu> > Sent: Monday, > >> December 01, 2008 3:52 PM> > To: [log in to unmask]> > Subject: [TN] > >> What are the industrial standards for Solder paste printing> > > >> limits?> >> > Hi Technetees:> >> > One of our customers had asked > >> us to show that our solder paste despoisition> > process is capable > >> to acheive Cpk at 1.66 (6 sigma). We just built a> > thousands of > >> pilot boards, and the SPC report I got from the TRI's SPI> > > >> machine indicated that the process is able to reach that > >> goal.......however> > the software sets the upper limit and lower > >> limits for height, area and> > volumn to about +/-50%. Is this > >> reasonable to have such a high variance in> > the printing process? > >> (We use 5 mil stencil with 0201 and fine picthc> > aperature). If > >> I change the limits to +/- 25%, the Cpk will become around> > 1.33 > >> ( 4 sigma)...should I claims that we can acheive 1.66, and point > >> out> > that the wide tolerence was set by the machine expert, or > >> should I limit> > the tolerance spread, and hope that customer > >> will accept lower Cpk.> >> >> > I guess my quesiton is " Is +/- > >> 50% tolerance a resonable limits for paste> > printing process?"> > >> >> >> >> > BTW the AOI and AXI yield is in the high 98 and low 99 > >> range for this> > design.> >> > Thanks> > Rudolph> >> >> > > >> _________________________________________________________________> > >> > Proud to be a PC? Show the world. 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