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Poor management that does not encourage productivity does happen when there
is little to no incentive, but it seems to be a **mandated condition** in
union jobs.

So what can be done?? The non-unionized employer just needs to shake up
management and establish a good incentive plan and some hard workers float
to the top regardless opposition from peers. The unionized employer doesn't
stand a chance: forget about shaking up management, and mentioning possible
incentives will make the incentive an instant "RIGHT" - if they employees
don't get it, they strike.




-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wilson, Bob
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 3:57 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] A Modern Parable (NTC)

My 2 cents.

This kind of stuff doesn't happen in union jobs only.  I started out as
a (non-union) drafter in a pretty big place and we had to punch a time
clock.

A few weeks into the job, I had something I was trying to get out in a
hurry.  The noon lunch bell rang and everyone in engineering got up and
filed out.

2 guys stopped in front of my table and I didn't notice them at first.
When I looked up, one said, "We don't do that here."  

I thought maybe I was so deep into what I was doing I was whistling or
belching or something.

He said, "We don't work after the bells...or before."

And they weren't kidding. 

The place is like that today and they've been in business since the
40's.

Bob Wilson

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Houwen
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:37 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] A Modern Parable (NTC)

It's not just assembly line.  I worked in a union design faciliity  Of
course, it 
didn't help that we were working for the government, also.

Within hours of starting the job, feeling unproductive since I didn't
know any 
of their procedures, I got the tap on the shoulder and a threat about
slowing 
down to stop making the rest of them look bad.  I was allowed to sit
over the 
shoulders of higher level members to tell them how to do their job, but
I wasn't 
allowed to actually do it (or get paid at that level), or even be
"promoted", 
because there were other people in front of me waiting for those
dinosaurs to 
retire.  But they were in no hurry - with 8 weeks of vacation and 40
sick days 
(we were pressured to use them all), they were already "retired".   A
crew of 
us spent a month and a half on mandatory 7, 12 hour days with tons of 
overtime, double and triple, on a "hot job".  We had insisted we could
get the 
work done in normal hours, but were told the union "negotiated" the
schedule.  
We did an unofficial survey, found the average was about 2-1/2 hours of 
actual work in an 8 hour day.

Last union job I'll work.



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