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I can't wait to see the Material Safety Data Sheet (MSDS) on this
material.

Lee Whiteman, PMP
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L-3 Communications East
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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 5:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] NTC

Not true, unless you are saying Nortel employees are cattle.  :)
Bev
RIM,
Formerly Nortel and still proud of what the company was

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And Bev's analysis was so complete, he included the contribution from
the 
cattle herd flatulence that was grazing on Nortel grounds, it was truly
a 
astounding calculation.

Dave Hillman
Rockwell Collins
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And what a trip that was.  Bev, you have to now tell the story of how
you 
calculated the Nortel contribution to global warming, so that people 
understand why you are an authority on flatulence.

Doug Pauls




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Paul,
Actually people expel hydrogen sulfide, not sulfur dioxide. I read it in
a book about the subject written by a medical doctor. I regaled Doug
Pauls and Dave Hillman with hilarious trivia from the book as we drove
down highway one from SF to LA.

At room temperature I would expect no reaction between methane and
silver. I am not so sure about possible reactions at elevated
temperatures. I am not a catalyst chemist.
Bev

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Paul Reid
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:02 PM
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Remembering the Guys from Myth Busters, key note speakers at IPC
LA...are those flatulent people who express sulfur dioxide in their
gaseous eruptions (from eating deviled eggs) belonging to the order of
the red flame or the order of the blue flame?

I believe, that day in LA, that Bev enlightened us as to the major
component of the gases expressed by flatulent new born babies (H2). How
he would know such a thing was never explained however.

Paul Reid

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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 2:23 PM
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Well, I guess that depends on what the previous meal was.  I don't know
if methane has the same harmful effect on immersion silver as sulfur.  I
suppose I could go knock back a dozen or so deviled eggs and let you
know......

And Dewey, that was a horrid pun, even for you.  Well done.

Doug Pauls




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So a TV living with a gaseous family is at risk?
Inge


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Any environment that contains sulfur, like hydrogen sulfide or sulfur
dioxide should preclude the use of IAg.  The sulfur will react with the
silver and "grow" sulfides which can be electrically conductive
resulting is shorts between vias.  This can occur even when the
concentrations are within OSHA limits for human exposure.
Silver sulfides can be semiconductors or conductors depending on the
chemical composition.  They are black in color instead of silver, any
exposed silver will be affected.

Mark Woolley
Failure Analyst

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Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 8:25 AM
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What characteristics of the end use environment would cause IAg to not
be an appropriate finish and why?

Jim Verrette
Senior Electrical Engineer

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:24:35 -0500

From: "Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]>

Subject: Re: ENIG White paper

Dave,

You write as if you are not at all familiar with IAg, which is totally

understandable. However, IAg has been around in full production mode for

many years now, and is rapidly becoming the most-used finish in the

market. Do not confuse it with immersion tin finish, which has little or

no shelf life.

IAg-finished circuit boards have a recommended shelf or storage life of

about 1 year. However, if packaged properly in a hermetically sealed bag

with silver saver paper liners, and stored away from sulfates, it is

possible to use boards up to 5 years old or even longer with no issues

whatsoever. All you need to do is call out the packaging on the

fabrication drawing per IPC 4553.

I have soldered IAg boards that sat around exposed to the elements for

more than 4 years in previous lives, and they soldered up just fine, no

change in the DPMO.

Some of the bare boards we use here at GD are 34" by 40", 48 layers,

1/2" thick, cost is about $48,000 each. Their finish is IAg. =20

I have had a lot of experience with IAg over the past 10 years or so,

having seen at least 150,000 IAg boards assembled and soldered with

every type of component you can think of, and I have never experienced

any issues with them. I have experienced many, many issues with ENIG,

however, and that is the finish that would keep me up at night waiting

for the bomb to go off. There are many reliability issues associated

with ENIG such as black pad, brittle nickel, etc., etc, but just think

about the fact that you are soldering to nickel, which has a dissolution

rate about 50 times slower than copper.

Should you ever have a solderability issue with IAg, you can have the

fabricator rework the finish. If you have an issue with ENIG, the only

thing you can do is rework your scrap account.

However, you need to take the end-use environment into consideration

when you select a circuit board finish. ENIG (unfortunately) may be your

best choice. I would fully qualify just one assembly at a time, and I

would fully qualify it. For Space use, I would not suggest IAg.

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