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Amen.  Be proffesional and don't make it a rodeo...

Inge


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Franklin Asbell" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos


>I would suggest proceed with extreme caution when communicating your
> 'findings'... Personally, I would not 'exaggerate' at all as it would most
> likely come back and bite you ten-fold... making you look like the shady
> one...
>
> Varying appearances at 800X is not uncommon, in fact, at that 
> magnification
> you are not seeing the real issues anyway, so in my opinion, toss out the
> pictures and run some simulations on sample boards, assemble them, stress
> them, test them, soak them, kick the tires, look under the hood, do all 
> that
> you can to see how they will react in various situations and then use all
> the information you compile to say whether they will 'meet your
> requirements'. You are going for low cost, so do not raise your 
> expectations
> higher than that... Whatever data you collect, compare it against that 
> bar,
> and not a bar based upon product costing 2 to 4 times as much.
>
> But whatever you do, don't fudge the data to prove or disprove your 
> feeling,
> this may only turn out bad for you, lose your credibility, possibly be a
> financial issue if the supplier found out... oh, and good luck by the way.
>
> Franklin
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Pete Houwen
> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 2:55 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos
>
> Inge,
>
> Very good point!
>
> background: The purchasing agent who is driving this has a bonus riding on
> reducing PCB fabrication costs by $125K this year - with no adjustment for
> oil
> or copper costs.  So if she saves $125K and manufacturing costs go up 
> $500K,
>
> she gets a bonus.  Not to mention their longstanding tradition of being
> penny
> wise and pound foolish.
>
> Wit that, what are my chances of getting time or funding for a "really 
> good
> qualification"?  Supposedly the D&B was done - I don't get that info.
> Someone
> from our Shanghai R&D group visited the plant - but he's not a PCB guy.  I
> already know that their stated abilities don't meet our specs.
> Manufacturing
> doesn't want this.  We've just spent months getting our processes somewhat
> reliable, adding junk plating to it isn't going to help.
>
> But there's that bonus.  So I've got these pictures.... I don't want to 
> lie,
> or
> exaggerate (much), but if I could find something comparative to scare the
> bean counters...... they just don't get the value of paying for quality up
> front.
>
> I keep a curled up tie and round glasses in my office to wear during
> projects
> like this.......
>
> Pete
>
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