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Mike Fenner <[log in to unmask]>
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This has been a problem for some time:

"There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little
worse and sell a little cheaper, and the people who consider price alone are
that person's lawful prey. 

It is unwise to pay too much, but it is also unwise to pay too little. 
When you pay too much, you lose a little money, that is all. 
When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything because the thing you
bought is incapable of doing the thing you bought it to do. 
The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a
lot... It can't be done.

If you deal with the lowest bidder it is well to add something for the risk
you run. 
And if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better." 

John Ruskin, 1819 - 1900
English Philosopher and Social Commentator


regards 

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Scott Westheimer
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:12 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos

What is the cost of quality? Even shops in China are board brokers. It is
not uncommon for a shop to take an order and subcontract it to another shop.
This actually happens more than you think. The shop that brokered the parts
out will than receives the boards back and ships them onto their customer.
Most of the time the shops that are actually making the boards are not given
the fabrication drawing so that they can not go direct and try and steal the
end customer.Scott B. Westheimer5709 Clarks Fork DriveRaleigh, NC
[log in to unmask]: (919)713-0748Cell NC: (919)961-5364 >
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:45:35 -0500> From: [log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: [TN] looking for ENiG photos> To: [log in to unmask]> > We put a
lot of money and effort into material and finish selections in the > RoHS
chageover.> > We have strict specifications on our fabrication drawings.> >
We have previously fully qualified 3 high volume and 2 prototype PCBs, and >
maintain them in a world wide AVL.> > but purchasing sees
pennies.............> > This is just a proposed vendor - only sample
quantites assembled, we haven't > ordered anything yet (I hope).> > So far
the proposed vendor has:> claimed to be a fabricator, but is actually a
broker> fabricated at two shops, neither was included in the site visits or
D&amp;Bs> switched the laminate we approved (twice)> changed layer spacing>
used some alien plating material> performed microsectioning and solder
testing on a non-RoHS PCB, but shipped > a completely different (hopefully
RoHS) panel> The other (passed) microsection showed innerlayer separation.>
Shipped PCBs with soldermask on pads.> > Best scenario is that this finally
wakes purchasing up to what I've been telling > them about buying boards in
China. Worst case is - they buy these anyway.> >
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