Very good posting!
If you substitute the word 'Altium' for Cadence, and 'P-CAD 200x' for OrCAD,
my experience is very similar.
And you are right. After I read the article, I immediately thought it
sounded like a 'hostile takeover' like what occurred between Daisy and
Cadnetix many years ago (if I recall correctly).
Regards,
James
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Subject: Re: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News?
From: Barbara Burcham
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 2:33 PM
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What a great time to ask me what I think!
I am just back from Allegro training in Milpitas, CA.
FYI, I am copying the TechNet Forum into this discussion. I would like to
heard
what they have to say, as well.
My experiences with Cadence are not what I would have chosen.
1. I was running OrCAD when Cadence bought them out.
a. Users were promised no changes to our tools or service.
b. OrCAD had a great technical support department that actually
answered phone calls immediately so that I could keep on working.
i. Gone the first year. The support was formed out to a
company
out of Rochester, NY and was no longer accessible. Most of the guys from
OrCAD in Oregon went to work for EMA-EDA in NY. While the tech
support
folks are great, they are now over-worked and cannot get to everyone in
a timely manner. And, you have to be sitting at your desk,
waiting
for their return call, or they leave you a message, you call them back
and leave them a message to call you and then wait by the phone
again. Lunch? Forget it. Break? Forget it. End of the day in your time
zone? Forget it. Need to finish something up? Forget
it.
c. Cadence immediately tried to kill OrCAD. Only user uproar has
saved
it as long as this year. Now, Cadence is no longer selling or
supporting OrCAD layout tools. We are moving to Allegro just to be
able
to keep the upgrades coming. Kind of a change by force.
d. the installation and licensing of all Cadence products has been
an
absolute nightmare for us. I no longer even think about doing it myself
and always call on our IT dept. to get the job done. It is, typically,
an
all-day even with lots of time online with technical support. I am
always angry by the time upgrades are installed and ready to use.
I call that false information given with a smile and a pat on the head....I
hate to be patted on the head while being deceived.
2. Both OrCAD and Allegro have advantages and disadvantages, one over the
other. I find this to be typical and expect it to continue. I have run
Tango,
Pcad, EDA, OrCAD, and now moving to Allegro. Each one is like learning a new
language. Not necessarily a bad thing, but certainly an inconvience.
3. Cadence bought OrCAD to get the schematic end of the tool.
In conclusion, I would expect the same thing to happen. Cadence has Capture
and
killed OrCAD. I think they will keep Capture and kill Allegro and force
Mentor
Graphics within a few years, should they succeed.
I read the article and this is all about money, what profits Cadence, with
no
regard to what profits end-users. I have read the article and what I
interpret
is that Cadence is attempting a take-over of Mentor. Mentor is aware of
Cadence
advances and is side-stepping negotiations because they would chose to
remain
independent. Therefore, Cadence, is making their desires public in the
interest
to forcing Mentor to come to the negotiations table. I consider this
extremely
rude and in very bad taste. If Mentor was interested in a buy-out, they
would
already be in negotiations.
For reference, here is the link again.
http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/marketwire/0407566.htm
I am all in favor of choice! Give me all colors in the palette and then let
me
decide. This sounds like water-torture and I think that is illegal.
On the other hand, I think we should prepare to have all of our work done in
China in the future. Then what are you going to do?
Or, check out Doug Brooks article on his new thought for designers being
subsidized by the government.
http://www.ultracad.com/articles/government.htm
I see that Doug is writing some articles for Mentor. He has a great website.
http://www.ultracad.com/articles/government.htm and his books are being
translated into Chinese.
Barbara Burcham
>
> From: Matthias Mansfeld <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2008/06/18 Wed AM 11:32:46 CDT
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News?
>
> On 18 Jun 2008 at 6:31, Denis Lefebvre wrote:
>
> >
> > >After all we are Designers... not Tool specific users.
> >
> > In theory you are right, but that is just not true in practice.
> > If you are looking for a job,see if you get an offer from an
> > employer that uses tool X when your recent experience is with tool Y.
> > It just doesn't happen - even if you have many more years of relevant
> > experience than the other applicants, dude, you ain't gettin' the job.
>
> And don't forget another point: A CAD system change is one thing for
> an employed (or job changing) designer, but another thing for an
> independent design bureau.
>
> If you are an employed designer, then your problem is "only" to learn
> the new tool.
>
> If you are an independent design bureau (like me), it is directly
> your own money which you waste again and again, when the industry
> forces you to upgrade oder to change your _own_ system.
>
> I can feel with these guys falling in panic, who own one of the
> systems which may be affected by that monster-merger.
>
> Best regards
> Matthias Mansfeld
>
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