I fully agree with you. When I made the statement in the post below I
was speaking from the standpoint of hiring managers and recruiters.
Almost all job postings are toll specific and in the case of Allegro
even revision specific. The best I saw was a job posting looking for 5
years of Allegro experience and 2 years of PCB design experience. How do
you do that? Three years as a librarian?

I started taping artworks in 1976. I was designing boards with
Conputervision in 1984. But since I have been using Expedition since
2000 I can't get a job at a company using Allegro because they are
afraid of the learning curve. The last time I used Allegro it just
wasn't that difficult.

Gary Boccoleri
Bivio Networks
925-924-8621
www.bivio.net
  

> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
> >>Behalf Of Andy
> >>Sent: 2008-06-17 03:41
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News
> >>
> >>Couldn't agree with this comment less. We're board 
> >>designers first, second and third. Tools are immaterial.
> >>
> >>A good carpenter can build a house using any one of a chain 
> >>saw, a circular saw, a hand saw and even hammer and chisel. 
> >>The knowledge lies in how to build the house, using the 
> >>tool at hand is a simple matter of learning how.
> >>
> >>Same with board design. If you don't know how to design 
> >>boards no tool is going to do it for you. As I keep saying 
> >>to anyone who listens (increasingly rare event these days), 
> >>using a cad tool and designing circuit boards are two very 
> >>different things.
> >>
> >>Cheers...
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>Andy K.
> >>
> >>Within Australia       (02) 9499 4853
> >>
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> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
> >>Behalf Of Gary Boccoleri
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 4:29
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News
> >>
> >>I think this will be a great thing for PCB designers. If 
> >>they eventually blend the product lines then finding jobs 
> >>will be much easier. Remember, you are not really a PCB 
> >>designer you are a PADs designer or an Expedition Designer 
> >>or an Allegro guy. All jobs are much more system specific 
> >>than design knowledge and experience.
> >>
> >>Gary Boccoleri
> >>Bivio Networks
> >>925-924-8621
> >>www.bivio.net
> >>  
> >>
> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>> >>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> >>On Behalf Of 
> >>> >>Kathy Nargi-Toth
> >>> >>Sent: 2008-06-17 10:32
> >>> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> >>Subject: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Hi all,
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>I guess you have all heard that Cadence is offering to 
> >>buy Mentor 
> >>> >>for $16/share, about a 30% bump over current stock 
> >>value and closely 
> >>> >>to the past year's peak price 
> >>> >>(pcdandf.com/cms/content/view/4828/95/).
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>This would be a big deal in the IC design space, but it 
> >>could really 
> >>> >>have a huge impact on PCB design.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>What's your take on this? Would a Cadence-Mentor merger 
> >>be good or 
> >>> >>bad for PCB designers?
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>Thanks for the feedback.
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>Kathy
> >>> >> 
> >>> >>Kathy Nargi-Toth
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