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A good wash process always includes a rinsing stage that is free of saponifier, and is non-recirculating. 

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Terry L. Munson
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 9:07 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Saponifier residue

Brian is exactly correct.  But you must remember if you are not  RINSING the saponifier correctly you are not removing the flux as well. The flux  will add to the level of corrosive and hygroscopic residue.  If saponifier  is left on it will be a easy removed if water can get to the area.  We find  with QFN and other low standoff devices that flux, saponifier and water are left  under these components and they cause performance problems such as leakage, and dendrite growth.  Many of today saponifiers are not as difficult to clean  as the original terpene D-limonene cleaners would take multiple rinses to  completely remove the material.  The residue left after cleaning if not  properly rinsed with clean water can cause leakage and corrosion problems. 
 
Terry Munson
Foresite
765-457-8095
 
 
In a message dated 5/6/2008 2:08:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [log in to unmask] writes:

I would  say you have a problem. Saponifier usually has, inter alia, two components, an amine and a surfactant. The amine, commonly monoethanolamine, is ionic and the surfactant is commonly an ethylene glycol or similar. The latter has a low vapour pressure and is hygroscopic (and this generally applies to all surfactants, even if the chemistry family is different. It can also form a matrix which can hold the amine in suspension, slowing down iôts evaporation.

The idea of  leaving hygroscopic residues is anathema to me. If they are mixed with an  ionic residue, it is double anathema.

IMHO, and in my experience,  saponifier cleaning MUST be followed, not by a simple rinse cycle, but by  a full wash and rinse cycle, exactly as if it were a water-soluble  flux.

Brian

- bogert wrote:
> May 5, 2008
> 
>  I have the following question:  If a saponifier is used with a DI 
> cleaning machine to clean PWAs and the cleaning does not remove all 
> traces of the saponifier, is there any concern, including sugsequent 
> exposure, to a humid environment?  Any technical reports on this  subject?
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