but it was just getting fun...

At 09:27 AM 5/26/2008, Bev Christian wrote:
>Dwight,
>Thank you for a witty and well thought out reply. Everything is cool.
>Let's hope this is the end this e-mail chain.
>Bev
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dwight Mattix
>Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 11:27 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [TN] NTC, NTC, NTC!
>
>Bev,
>Oooooo-kaaaay.  My bad. For the record, I hold you in high esteem and
>have since meeting you many years ago at an IPC conference. I as an
>unarmed man would never knowingly choose to engage in battle of wits
>with you.
>
>If I ever were to intentionally give offense to you it would be for
>the express purpose of good lold fashioned manly smack talkin'
>fellowship -- not for any serious intent. Maybe that's a west coast
>thing tho'...
>
>Ol' Sol had it right, "When there are many words transgression is
>unavoidable..."  again -- Mea Culpa.
>
>That wasn't really intended to ignite "serious" political debate. Hey
>-- some of my best friends are Canadians. ;^P
>I even have plenty of immediate family north of the border (being
>born in Alaska and raised in WA, the inbreeding was inevitable). In
>fact, we just had friends of over 25 yrs from Three Hills here with
>us defrosting for over a week. We kept apologizing for our weather
>while it snowed up there in May. Heck, I serve as a de facto cultural
>and linguistic translator for several young Canadian ex-pat engineers
>locally. Thank goodness for Canadian Bacon and Strange Brew, and
>summers at bible camp with Canadian kids who'd sneak over the border
>to swim in a warmer lake, eh? ;^)
>
>Obviously hit a nerve a little harder than I intended, eh? No offense
>intended, eh? Seriously, eh?
>
>
>At 03:49 AM 5/26/2008, Bev Christian wrote:
>
> >Dwight,
> >1) I am what is sometimes referred to as born again Christian,
>therefore you
> >can't get much more anti-communist than I am.
>
>:-) ixthus
>
> >2) Nor am I a socialist, being the son of a small independent
>businessman,
> >the heart and soul of what capitalism should be.
>
>huzzah. That requires an especially hardy individual -- increasingly
>here in the US, and (what I understand from family/friend business
>owner north of the border) even more so in Canada.
>
> >5) I am not happy that you consider my country "the entitlement system
>gone
> >wild".
>
>NTC... In all humor there is an element of truth revealed, no? So,
>I'll take the bait on a couple of these. Not so much as to continue
>the thread (unless you wish offline or whatever) as to reveal/explain
>my frame of reference.
>
>You guessed it -- was particularly thinking of the medical system.
>My family's packed w/ Medical professionals on both sides of the
>border (from Nurses to Human Resource Directors to Hospital
>Administrators and MDs) so it's a topic of much debate and discussion
>on the home front.  Politically, I admit it's a bit of a tender point
>for me. I have grown weary of the US Left foisting the Canadian
>medical system on us in the US Left as the Great Ideal, the utopian
>salvation of the uninsured in the US.
>
> >I have no problem supporting with my taxes a medical system that
> >tries to help everyone.
>
>That's commendable and charitable sentiment and worthy of
>respect.  W/out belaboring it or picking a fight, I'd submit for your
>later rumination and cogitation that the market and tax policy may
>have provide more efficient and effective solutions. Solutions with
>a) less "friction" than passing the funds through government hands
>and b) that encourage saner behavior by the medical consumer and
>practioner alike.
>
> >6) You are ill-informed about Quebec.  Check your facts.
> >7) The quote is drivel.  You have managed to insult every anticommunist
> >socialist in Europe who stood on the front line for 50 years (i.e. the
>Iron
> >Curtain) to help make sure Communism did not swallow us all. For
>instance,
> >how about socialist, "neutral" Sweden, which had one of the largest air
> >forces in the world?  Which way was the defence system pointed? Toward
>the
>
>Considering the relative result on freedoms and prosperity apparent
>(my perception) between more & less socialist nations and states in
>the US, I chose the latter. Between anywhere in Europe of the US, I
>choose the US. Between AK or TX and CA -- I'd choose AK or TX.
>(however, inertia and family have me tied to CA for the time being).
>
> >East or the West?
> >
> >If socialists want to stand for election in a democratic country and be
> >freely elected, govern and then lose an election, which has happened
>many
> >times in Canada and other places, what makes them so evil?  Where does
> >anyone get off by saying that they are out to enslave me or anyone
>else, if
> >free peoples chose them knowing they can be turfed out if and when they
> >screw up, like any other political party?
>
>We've held all kinds of evil positions in US history as a result of
>democratic action at the ballot box.  People surely can sell
>themselves down the river w/out realizing it.
>
>Throughout history free people have repeatedly sold themselves into
>one form of bondage or another -- sometimes unwittingly, sometimes as
>a result of not understanding the future consequences of their
>present choices. Joseph did a pretty good job <ahem> capitalizing on
>that during the 7 lean years, no?
>
><off on a rabbit trail?>
>Democracy is like ENIG. It is the worst thing we've ever used except
>for everything else we've tried.  I for one don't want to live in a
>democracy. I choose a representative democracy.
>
>IMAO, we in the US have swung too far from being a Federal Republic
>toward direct democracy. Just because people can vote it doesn't make
>it good. The franchise is so large and easy now and the civics
>education so poor that...  (sigh).  We have people screaming "foul:
>disenfranchisement" when we ask for positive ID at the polls!
>
>To many that makes me start sounding pretty elitist.  Hard to imagine
>for this kid from a little logging and coal town who spent way too
>many years in enlisted berthing...  Guess I've sold out on my
>hometown's
><http://content.lib.washington.edu/iwwweb/read.html>IWW<http://content.l
>ib.washington.edu/iwwweb/read.html>
>roots.
>
>The power to tax is the power to destroy. Ultimately the trade is
>freedom for government services.
>
>
> >And of course this mish mash of an e-mail contains my own opinions and
>do
> >not represent the company I work for.
> >Bev
>
> >PS: Note that I am writing form home to further distance this from my
> >employer.
>
>No problem, mate. You're a gentleman and a scholar. I, on the hand,
>am neither. But I am your brother and I apologize again for any
>inflammatory hyperbole. If I search myself I have to admit it
>probably was mean't to get a rise -- but not give offense.
>
>cheers,
>dw
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Bev Christian [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2008 10:10 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Fw: [TN] Fwd: Message from the Queen - NTC
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Sun May 25 20:35:08 2008
> >Subject: Re: [TN] Fwd: Message from the Queen - NTC
> >
> >I suppose adding the Pac NW and Alaska to Canunkistan would shore up
> >the contributions of Alberta to the entitlement system gone wild up
> >in Mackenzie Bro' land. That would extend the time till the
> >inevitable socialistic "Q" province led bankruptcy but it still
> >sounds like a suicide pact to me.
> >
> >"There is no difference between communism and socialism, except in
> >the means of achieving the same ultimate end: communism proposes to
> >enslave men by force, socialism - by vote. It is merely the
> >difference between murder and suicide."
> >
> >   - From "Foreign Policy Drains U.S. of Main Weapons" Ayn Rand
> >
> >
> >At 03:48 PM 5/25/2008, Bev Christian wrote:
> > >Joe,
> > >I expect that since you guys have elected a fair number of
> > >Republican presidents of late,  you may get some hate mail.
> > >
> > >Except for your whopping national debt (and Iraq) we would be happy
> > >to accept you as the 11th through to the 60th province.
> > >
> > >I could go on about the parts of the Pacific Northwest, North
> > >Dakota, Minnesota and Maine that should be part of Canukistan ( so
> > >we are called by some in your country :). ) By I will end here.
> > >Regards,
> > >Bev
> > >
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
> > >To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
> > >Sent: Sun May 25 18:20:38 2008
> > >Subject: [TN] Fwd: Message from the Queen - NTC
> > >
> > >To: Undisclosed-Recipient:;
> > >Sent: 5/25/2008 12:46:42 P.M. Pacific  Daylight Time
> > >Subj: Message from the Queen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >** Important,  please read  thoroughly! **
> > >To the citizens of  the United States of America from Her Sovereign
>Majesty
> > >Queen Elizabeth   II
> > >
> > >In light  of your failure in recent years to nominate competent
>candidates
> > >for President  of the USA and thus to govern yourselves, we hereby
>give
> >notice
> > >of the  revocation of your independence, effective immediately.
> > >Her  Sovereign Majesty Queen Elizabeth II will resume monarchical
>duties
> >over
> > >all  states, commonwealths, and territories (except Kansas , which
>she does
> > >not  fancy).
> > >Your new  Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, will appoint a Governor for
>America
> > >without the  need for further elections.
> > >Congress  and the Senate will be disbanded.
> > >A questionnaire may  be circulated next year to determine whether any
>of
> >you
> > >noticed.
> > >To aid in the  transition to a British Crown Dependency, the
>following
> >rules
> > >are introduced  with immediate effect:
> > >(You  should look up 'revocation' in the Oxford English Dictionary.)
> > >
> > >1. Then look up  aluminium, and check the pronunciation guide. You
>will be
> > >amazed at just how  wrongly you have been pronouncing it.
> > >2. The  letter 'U' will be reinstated in words such as 'colour,'
>'favour,'
> > >'labour'  and 'neighbour.' Likewise, you will learn to spell
> > >'doughnut' without
> > >skipping  half the letters,  and the suffix '-ize' will be replaced
>by the
> > >suffix  '-ise'. Generally, you will be expected to raise your
>vocabulary to
> > >acceptable  levels. (Look up 'vocabulary.')
> > >-------  -----------------
> > >3. Using the same  twenty-seven words interspersed with filler noises
>such
> >as
> > >'like' and 'you  know' is an unacceptable and inefficient form of
> > >communication. There is no  such thing as US English. We will let
> > >M*crosoft know on your
> > >behalf. The  M*crosoft spell-checker will be adjusted to take into
>account
> >the
> > >reinstated  letter 'u' and the elimination of  -ize.
> > >-------------------
> > >4. July 4th will no  longer be celebrated as a holiday.
> > >-----------------
> > >5. You will learn to  resolve personal issues without using guns,
>lawyers,
> >or
> > >therapists. The fact  that you need so many lawyers and therapists
>shows
> >that
> > >you're not quite ready  to be independent. Guns should only be used
>for
> > >shooting grouse. If you can't  sort things out without suing someone
> > >or speaking to
> > >a therapist then you're  not ready to shoot grouse.
> > >----------------------
> > >6. Therefore, you  will no longer be allowed to own or carry anything
>more
> > >dangerous than a  vegetable peeler. A permit will be required if you
>wish
> >to
> > >carry a vegetable  peeler in public.
> > >----------------------
> > >7. Al l intersections  will be replaced with roundabouts, and you
>will
> >start
> > >driving on the left side  with immediate effect. At the same time,
>you will
> >go
> > >metric with immediate  effect and without the benefit of conversion
>tables.
> > >Both  round abouts and metrication will help you understand the
>British
> >sense
> > >of  humour.
> > >--------------------
> > >8. The Former USA  will adopt UK prices on petrol (which you have
>been
> > >calling gasoline) of  roughly $10/US gallon. Get used to it.
> > >-------------------
> > >9. You will learn to  make real chips. Those things you call French
>fries
> >are
> > >not real chips, and  those things you insist on c alling potato chips
>are
> > >properly called crisps.  Real chips are thick cut, fried in animal
>fat, and
> > >dressed not with catsup but  with vinegar.
> > >-------------------
> > >10. The cold  tasteless stuff you insist on calling beer is not
>actually
> >beer
> > >at all.   Henceforth, only proper British Bitter will be referred to
>as
> >beer,
> > >and  European brews of  known and accepted provenance will be
>referred to
> >as
> > >Lager. South African beer is also acceptable as they are pound for
>pound
> >the
> > >greatest sporting Nation on earth and it can o nly be due to the
>beer. They
> > >are also part of British Commonwealth - see what it did for them.
> >American
> > >'beer' brands will be referred to as Near-Frozen Gnat's Urine,
> > >so  that all can
> > >be sold without risk of further confusion.
> > >---------------------
> > >11. Hollywood will be  required occasionally to cast English actors
>as good
> > >guys.     Hollywood will also be required to cast English actors to
>play
> > >English  characters.  Watching Andie Macdowell attempt English
> > >dialogue in Four
> > >Weddings and a Funeral was an experience akin to having one's ears
> > >removed  with
> > >a cheese grater.
> > >---------------------
> > >12. You will cease  playing American football. There is only one kind
>of
> > >proper football; you call  it soccer. Those of you brave enough
> > >will, in time, be
> > >allowed to play rugby  (which has some similarities to American
>football,
> >but
> > >does not involve  stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing
>full
> > >kevlar body Armour  like a bunch of nancies). Don't try Rugby - the
>South
> > >Africans and Kiwis will  thrash you, like they regularly thrash us.
> > >---------------------
> > >13. Further, you will  stop playing baseball. It is not reasonable to
>host
> >an
> > >event called the World  Series for a game which is not played outside
>of
> > >America. Since only 2.1% of  you are aware there is a world beyond
> > >your borders,
> > >your error is  understandable. You will learn cricket, and we will
> > >let you face
> > >the South  Africans first to take the sting out of their deliveries.
> > >--------------------
> > >14. You must tell us  who killed JFK. It's been driving us mad.
> > >-----------------
> > >15. An internal  revenue agent (i.e. tax collector) from Her
>Majesty's
> > >Government will be with  you shortly to ensure the acquisition of
> > >all monies due
> > >(backdated to  1776).
> > >---------------
> > >16. Daily Tea Time  begins promptly at 4 pm with proper cups, with
>saucers,
> > >and never mugs, with  high quality biscuits (cookies) and cakes; plus
> > >strawberries (with  cream)  when in season.
> > >
> > >God Save the  Queen!
> > >
> > >PS:
> > >Go ahead and share this with your  friends in the   USA (those with a
>good
> > >sense of humour and NOT  humor.)
> > >
> > >Friday came early this week... ;-)
> > >
> > >Cheers,
> > >Joe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking
>with
> > >Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
> >
> >(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
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