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No, the technology is not here yet. X-ray CAN NOT detect almost hair-like cracks in solder joints and that is the type of cracks we usually see in case of joints broken in brittle mode.



I had an interesting discussion with one of the leading Dage guys when he was presenting over here their X-ray machine and its capabilities.



As almost any of the vendors he mentioned that the machine can detect cracked solder joints and even showed a sample, which made me unhealthy nervous :-). 



When we start talking about the image and what the sample was he said that it had been obtained from a specially prepared sample, namely a BGA with ceramic balls overplated with a thin layer of solder. He honestly admitted that it wouldn't be possible to see a crack in a regular (solder made) joint.





Vladimir



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Subject: Re: [TN] X-Ray equipment



We have both Feinfocus in the lab and Agilent 5DX in the production line.

They are very good and helpful almost all applications, but I never 

succeeded to see by x-ray the defect we can see in Steve's site

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/LP_BGA_Crack.jpg

This is very frustrating and performing the cross section always showed the 

defect as being too narrow in order to be detected by x-ray.

If you want to include such a defect in your requirements, I am very curious 

to see answers . Maybe the technology evolved since we bought the equipment.

If not, I agree with all the reccomendations .

Gaby

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From: "Ioan Tempea" <[log in to unmask]>

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Subject: Re: [TN] X-Ray equipment





Thanks Dave!







You wouldn't believe how tight our get informed-compare-buy schedule is. To 

give you a hint: it can't wait until April :-)







Thanks for your feedback,







Ioan







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Hi Ioan!  There is quite a bit of excellent X-ray equipment available on the 

market and a trip to IPC APEX would be one good way to evaluate multiple 

equipment vendors at one time! You need to decide just what capabilities you 

want in an X-ray system because the more capability, the greater the cost. 

We use Glenbrook Jewel Box 90 systems in our manufacturing facilities - 

good, rugged systems with good overall capability for voids, shorts, etc. 

and we use Fein Focus in our Failure Analysis laboratory - very high tech 

system for the necessities of failure analysis investigations. My 

recommendation is pull together a list of "must have" and "would like to 

have" system capabilities, match that to you budget and use the APEX 

opportunity to conduct your evaluations of the various X-ray system 

suppliers. Good luck.



Dave Hillman

Rockwell Collins

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Dear Technos,







One more topic: what are your experiences with X-Ray equipment? Which

brand/model would you recommend or not advise?







We are a typical EMS and would like to inspect as accurately as possible

BGAs and leadless. So voids and hole-fill measuring capability is

desired. If possible, we would like to be able to localize an open BGA

joint.







Not exactly looking for big budget laminography machines like the 5DX,

but it should at least be 2D plus rotation capability. Or a regular, not

so loaded 3D system...







On-line and off-line answers welcome.







Thanks,







Ioan













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