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Brian Ellis is on line. He doesn't have any knowledge of the Deubzer thesis.

I haven't had either time or patience to wade through the whole doc. I 
was hoping for an ExecSum but had to satisfy myself by skimming through 
the start and the conclusions. It appears to be an interesting study but 
my skim reveals a few initial potential problems (some of which may be 
handled in the unread text):

1. If CR(VI) is of so little importance, why was it included in the 
first place?

2. I'm astonished at the figures for Cd: I believe that this may be 
ascribed largely to the use in Cd-Ni batteries which had already been 
largely phased out and replaced by NiMH ones long before RoHS was 
implemented. Is it correct to use legacy figures to promote 
self-congratulation?

3. I'm astonished at the selection of just a few countries for the 
study, missing out such important producers of EEE as F and I and 
including relatively minor ones, such as B and LT. This is all the more 
surprising in view that it is admitted that the economic differences 
regarding EEE are so different between these countries, as are the 
attitudes towards purchasing (e.g., the French would be much more likely 
to consume products with a "Fabriqué en France" label than a Brit would 
choose a "Made in the UK" one) and the sectors are different (S and SF 
are strong on telecoms, while I is strong on white goods). Other than 
that, there is a wide difference in the way WEEE has been implemented 
across the Union. GR, for example, is very weak, as I suspect are most 
of EU27 minus EU15. I know, for a fact, that CY has done almost nothing 
towards the practical implementation of WEEE, other than stir a few 
words. There is a company at Strovolos, near Nicosia, that purports to 
collect WEEE but I see very little sector activity there; the public 
have not been advised and most domestic WEEE, other than large white 
goods, is still landfilled. I think about half the bulky items like 
large TVs and white goods are taken back by retailers when replaced, but 
I doubt whether they are disposed of correctly by the retailers, judging 
by what I see (only the other day, I saw a pickup truck loaded with 
half-a-dozen old washing machines drive off a main road to a major 
landfill. Of course, I have no idea whether the electrics had been 
stripped out or not).

4. Small countries and particularly the island states of CY and MT are 
at an economic disadvantage when it comes to recycling. It implies 
exporting all WEEE, which can be very costly. If they contain HazMat, 
then the Basel Convention applies.

5. The economic and environmental studies appear not to have taken into 
account all the holistic implications of the resources.

6. Can the 36 companies that returned questionnaires be considered 
representative? I have no idea how many EEE manufacturers/importers 
there are in the EU. OK, CH is not in the EU, but it is estimated that 
about 3000 companies have some practical activity in electronics alone. 
Many of them are one- or two-man affairs, such as repair shops, 
consultants etc.; many are small departments of companies in other 
sectors; many are SMEs in the electrical/electronic sectors; some are 
massive stakeholders in the industry, such as ABB, Ascom, Siemens-Albis 
etc. But if 3000 for a population of 8M were extrapolated to the 500M of 
the EU, it would seem probable that the number of companies in the 
sector would at least approach 100k. 36 companies represent considerably 
less than 0.1% of the total. I suggest that it is nonsense to formulate 
anything based on such statistically invalid data.

7. You may consider this trivial, but if a major report is published 
with atrocious use of language, then it loses some credibility.

Just some thoughts... I await being shot down in flames.

Brian

John Burke wrote:
> I was hoping someone on the link could throw some light on the answer to
> that (is Brian Ellis on line?)
> 
> John
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> John Burke
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> (408) 515 4992
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dennis Fritz
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> Subject: Re: [TN] EU "simplification"
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> Interesting in how they cite data.  The US EPA study is in part  "credible"?
> 
> What is this 2007 study by Deubzer?
>  
> Denny Fritz
> MacDermid, Inc
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> In a message dated 1/18/2008 1:56:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
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> I  received this email from one of my contacts. I strongly suggest a look
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> the environmental impact "DATA" contained in section 3 here is the  link:
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> http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/environment/reports_studies/studies/draft_rep
> _study_rohs_directive_dec07.pdf
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