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Lacking foresight, I went this direction (see attached).
Dewey

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Burek
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:27 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Green Growth between PCB traces

Thanks Steve,
The Foresite link looks a good direction.

Tom Burek, CID+




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11/14/2007 02:13 PM

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RE: [TN] Green Growth between PCB traces






Tom,

I did a search to try and see if I could find something that had to do 
with "green dendrites", and I came across this image:

http://tinyurl.com/38lxeb 

It's a shortened link from Foresite's ( http://www.residues.com ) photo 
library. This is a picture of water soluble flux that was trapped beneath 
a part. 

Sure is a lot of green stuff there. Looks like the PCB might have been 
ENIG too if you notice the vias at the top, they look like ENIG.

Steve Gregory

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 2:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Green Growth between PCB traces

You may be right, although they look pretty healthy already.  I don't 
think they need any more "exercise" ;>)

Tom Burek, CID+




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They do look pretty bad, perhaps beyond cleaning with known methods. You 
may have to consider exorcising them. 

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Steve Gregory
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Green Growth between PCB traces

Hi Everybody!

I have Tom's pictures posted. They're at:

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/GreenStuff2.JPG

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/GreenStuff3.JPG

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/GreenStuff4.JPG

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/GreenStuff5.JPG

http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/GreenStuff6.JPG

Those boards look like they've either been slimed or in Linda Blair's 
bedroom while her head was spinning around! YUCK!

Seriously, looks like some sort of dendritic growth to me. I've seen 
dendrites before, but not green ones...

Steve Gregory 

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tom Burek
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 11:44 AM
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Subject: [TN] Green Growth between PCB traces

Hello everyone,
Has anyone ever seen or experienced the phenomenon of this green growth 
between the traces and even on some of the pads.
It almost appears as if it is leaching out from under the etchback of the 
traces into the space between the traces. 
Oddly enough it is only on one side of the board, the bottom side, 
opposite the component side.
It will not wash off with DI or Alcohol and a Q-tip, however it will scrub 

off with a stiff bristle brush or very gently with an exacto knife.
The soldermask is very thin in spots, (white solder mask).

The PCB is ENIG with white soldermask.  FR4 material (IPC-1401/21).
The boards had just gone through HALT testing, (Thermal Shock: 2 hrs. @ 
85°C then 2 min. 5 sec. swing to  -40°C for 2 hrs. This was repeated until 

it failed after 136 hrs.) We think this green stuff might have caused the 
failure. 
 With the temperature swings, often there is condensation created so, 
possibly created by humidity? 
Is there something in the PCB fabrication process that could have lay 
dormant until it experienced thermal shock?

I know an analysis of the green stuff is necessary, but I was wondering if 

anyone has ever seen of experienced this type of growth before.

Thank you in advance.

I have attached some pictures, but I know somehow they are suppose to get 
to Steve to post. 



Tom Burek, CID+

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