Hello,
We encountered the same issue with a high Tg 170 board. The date of
manufacturing of the boards were sep 2006. The boards would get delaminated
when the boards came out of reflow. We tried 125 deg C for 24 hrs. We had a
very minimum delamination and also no solderability issues were observed.
Try it out.
Thanx
Badri
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hernefjord Ingemar
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 12:45 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Baking out board moisture
an increase of soldering top temperature by some 30 Centigrades, or a
slight increase in humidity absorption (0.01 %), does that motivate such
a dramatic extension of bake out procedure? Is it proven bytests or is
it an assumption based on maths? I can't see the reason to increase bake
out to +150 Centigrades. Why not keep the ordinary std temperature and
extend the oven time?
Inge
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Fox, Ian
Sent: den 24 augusti 2007 08:53
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Subject: Re: [TN] Baking out board moisture
Typical values for Novolac cured materials eg IS410/415, PCL370HR, are
declared by the manufacturers to be between 0.15-0.3%, ie bridging the
gap between polyimide and traditional FR4. If you are processing at Pb
free temps then bakeout becomes much more important than it is at
traditional SnPb levels. We usually bake 4hrs at 125degC with no impact
on ENIG solderability
Regards
Ian Fox
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Hernefjord Ingemar
Sent: 24 August 2007 07:03
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Subject: Re: [TN] Baking out board moisture
"higher" says nothing, they should be more precise.Here are some
examples on moisture absorption:
ISOLA std FR-4 Tg130 : 0.2 %
GE std GETEK Tg180: 0.12 %
Polyclad BT-Epoxy : 0.2 %
Nelco PI : 0.35 %
GIL GML 1000 : 0.02 %
nn PTFE : <0.01 %
nn Cyanate Ester : 0.3 %
Taconic all products : <0.01 %
Rogers Ro group : <0.1 %
Rogers RT/duroid : 0.015 to 0.6 %
Rogers TMM : 0.010 to 0.16 %
Arlon DiClad : < 0.1%
Metclad all products : < 0.08 %
Would be interesting to know why your Tg170 has higher moisture
absorption and also how much higher in percentage.
Inge
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rob Strecker
Sent: den 23 augusti 2007 20:04
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Subject: [TN] Baking out board moisture
Hi All,
We are having an issue with boards delaminating post oven (oven profiles
are good). We brought the issue up with our PCB manufacturer and they
said "The absorption of moisture on Tg170 laminate (Lead Free) is higher
than Tg130 laminate." Their corrective action is to increase the bake
time of the inner layer as well as additional drying process of 60min at
150oC before packing. I am concerned with regards to the high bake
temperature and what it will do to our ENIG finish. This is also the
recommendation they have given us to bake our existing stock before
running. Could this reduce the solderability of our boards? I know
with Tin finishes you would definitely have a problem with the Tin
degrading. One other odd thing about this is we have been soldering
lead free for about 2 years now and started seeing issues in Jan of 07.
Rob Strecker
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