Quoted:
"The biggest thing for a Laptop is reliability and Fujitsu, accordingly
to PC World, makes the most reliable laptops there are. Dell is usually
the worst. In addition to this you want to see what kind of tech support
a company offers - Fujitsu offers free lifetime customer support.
One might wonder why these machines are way more reliable than all
others. The biggest reason is that Fujitsu still makes its own notebooks
in Japan. All the rest of the manufacturers are having them made in
China - there is still a big difference between China and Japan.
I also think that the Fujitsu laptops looks pretty good - not as ugly as
the IBM.
Unfortunately Fujitsu has not done a great brand building job in the US.
In Asia, Europe and Japan they are the top selling brand."
From PC forum in England
Inge
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Från: Bev Christian [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Skickat: den 29 maj 2007 18:33
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Ämne: Re: SV: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
Inge,
Well I hardly consider myself a guru in these matters, just a consumer.
You make many good points, but still there seems to be more of an
attitude of "ship it", irrespective of whether we are talking first,
second or third world stuff. Bev
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From: Hfjord <[log in to unmask]>
To: 'TechNet E-Mail Forum' <[log in to unmask]>; Bev Christian
Sent: Tue May 29 12:27:58 2007
Subject: SV: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
Bev,
I may be the mouse against Goliat, but I have some thoughts though.
1. Remember the awesome complexity of today's laptops. If they were
build with yesterday's technology, you couldn't lift them.
2. The price curve declines despite the capacity increases. All can buy
a XP 2 GHz 60 Gbite laptop for 500 USD.
3. IF you want higher quality and better reliability, you have to pay
for it. We always had to pay for quality. You can buy a Toshiba laptop
R400-S4832, with 10 years of warranty, but it costs approx. 3,400 USD.
4. If you buy Fujitsu's best laptop, you can get lifelong warranty! But
then you pass 4,000 USD.
We wanted toys, and we got toys. I don't think it's the laptop maker's
fault, that there are problems like the one described here, but ours as
consumers. Do you or do you not pay double the price for a burger with
declaration that there was no antibiotics in the meet, absolutely zero
manipulation with the seed for the bread, guaranteed null chemical adds
in the sauce etc ? A burger shop with only these high quality burgers
would not survive one month. Our fault?
Just to moderate the discussion a little...
(You see, Sylvain, I dared go against the gurus!)
Inge
PS. I rely on CERN, because they think in quality terms, but we
taxpayers have to pay a LOT !)
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Från: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] För Bev Christian
Skickat: den 29 maj 2007 16:53
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Ämne: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
George,
As usual, I am in total agreement with you.
Bev
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From: Wenger, George M. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:51 AM
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Bev Christian
Subject: RE: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
Bev,
To add to your comment, I'm more convinced than ever that "quality is
dead". Given three factors 1). Quality, 2). Cost 3). Delivery.
Customers can choose any two but not three. Even companies like my old
company (Lucent Technologies / Bell Laboratories) that changed from
being technology driven to supply change driven are now more worried
about cost and delivery. They may still be concerned about quality but
when their customers want the products "NOW" and they want them for "AS
CHEAP AS POSSIBLE" then quality has to suffer.
Regards,
George
George M. Wenger
Senior Principle FMA / Reliability Engineer
Wireless network Solutions
Andrew Corporation, 40 Technology Drive, Warren, NJ 07059 (908) 546-4531
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:34 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
A man I respect in the industry on these matters said (and this applies
to more than electronics), that "quality is dead". Remember the mantra
is "smaller, cheaper, faster" or some such. In the late nineties they
said "quality is of course assumed", but I think that has gone out the
window now, in the general sense.
Bev
RIM
The opinions expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily
represent those of the company that I work for. (And I am making no
inferences one way or the other about our own products.)
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:27 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
Joe,
Just a thought without any real data (but sure has me wondering
slightly).
EVERY single piece of electronic equipment I've purchased within the
last year has either failed almost out of the box or soon after.
This includes 2 notebook computers, a PA Amp, 3 cell phones, a wireless
phone, an all-in-one printer.
Now yes like many have stated here with out data there is no case and
there are many reasons that could be the problem, and may not have
anything to do with RoHS.
But from a John Q. Public buyer standpoint was I jinxed this last year
were the odds not all in my favor, could be but certainly has me
wondering why 100% of what I bought electronically never had problems
till this past year everything had a problem (100%)???
From my point of view I was starting to think maybe don't buy any
electronics for awhile?
Especially since the practice of many companies is, even if your unit
failed in only 3 months, you might get a refurbished unit that is much
older back.
Yes they guarantee it is in perfect working order again, but just my
opinion, if the unit breaks in the first 90 days you should get a brand
new replacement.
Bob
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Hudson
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:02 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
I would suggest that it belies your undoubted professional expertise to
make the assumption that this failure has anything to do with
RoHS-compliance or lead-free. Frankly, it smacks of hysteria. Surely you
can think of at least a dozen other potential failure modes, all equally
likely? Let's see some evidence in this case before you throw your toys
out of the playpen.
Dave
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On 26/05/07, Joe Fjelstad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Greetings folks,
>
> I don't know, (nor will I likely ever know) what the problem is but my
> brand new RoHS compliant laptop has the distinction of being the
> shortest
lived
> one I ever owned.
>
> It is a trusted brand name supplier from Japan and I have always been
> pleased with their bullet proof reliability. My earlier version is
still
> working
> very well, just a little slow. The new one was a high-end small,
> lightweight model that touted reliability in ads. On this one,
> however, 4 weeks
after
> purchase and with very little use, the CD just stopped working for no
> apparent reason.
>
> I would really be curious to know what went wrong but I am going to be
> returning it to the store and will now be looking for something
cheaper
> and
> hopefully non RoHS compliant. I cannot afford to pay big bucks for
> unreliable products.
>
> (I almost wonder if someone out there is getting back at me for
protesting
> lead-free too much.. ;-)
>
> Wishing better luck to the rest of you.
> Joe
>
>
>
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