And it always will, BUT if one's safety/well being/comfort level is going to be affected by the quality, then it would be much easier to justify a higher price.
According to a well known law, worse things happen when you don't need them at all :-). I hope the quality of goods will be considered by people as am investment item.
BUT, it's just my hope :-)
Vladimir
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From: TechNet
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Sent: Tue May 29 11:16:59 2007
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
I went shovel shopping last week -- there were three
A beautiful resin handled, tempered steel, rolled edges with tack welds
and reinforcement at the stress points and seams for $39
A hardwood handled, hickory, one of similar quality for $29
And an unpriced chineese model -- inferior wood handle, much more
roughly shaped, with a wide grain -- stamped steel, no welds, no
reinforcement...
-- did a price check to compare -- it was $6.99 -- if I used a shovel
every day I would invest, but for digging rocks now and then from my
road -- I couldn't justify the $20-$30 difference...
-- I am ashamed, but that is the current reality
I fear soon there will be less shovel selection, I am a more discerning
shopper than most, and a professional 'quality guy' and still -- price
influences me
Ian
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:53 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
George,
As usual, I am in total agreement with you.
Bev
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From: Wenger, George M. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:51 AM
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Bev Christian
Subject: RE: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
Bev,
To add to your comment, I'm more convinced than ever that "quality is
dead". Given three factors 1). Quality, 2). Cost 3). Delivery.
Customers can choose any two but not three. Even companies like my old
company (Lucent Technologies / Bell Laboratories) that changed from
being technology driven to supply change driven are now more worried
about cost and delivery. They may still be concerned about quality but
when their customers want the products "NOW" and they want them for "AS
CHEAP AS POSSIBLE" then quality has to suffer.
Regards,
George
George M. Wenger
Senior Principle FMA / Reliability Engineer
Wireless network Solutions
Andrew Corporation, 40 Technology Drive, Warren, NJ 07059 (908) 546-4531
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:34 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
A man I respect in the industry on these matters said (and this applies
to more than electronics), that "quality is dead". Remember the mantra
is "smaller, cheaper, faster" or some such. In the late nineties they
said "quality is of course assumed", but I think that has gone out the
window now, in the general sense.
Bev
RIM
The opinions expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily
represent those of the company that I work for. (And I am making no
inferences one way or the other about our own products.)
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Robert
Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:27 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
Joe,
Just a thought without any real data (but sure has me wondering
slightly).
EVERY single piece of electronic equipment I've purchased within the
last year has either failed almost out of the box or soon after.
This includes 2 notebook computers, a PA Amp, 3 cell phones, a wireless
phone, an all-in-one printer.
Now yes like many have stated here with out data there is no case and
there are many reasons that could be the problem, and may not have
anything to do with RoHS.
But from a John Q. Public buyer standpoint was I jinxed this last year
were the odds not all in my favor, could be but certainly has me
wondering why 100% of what I bought electronically never had problems
till this past year everything had a problem (100%)???
>From my point of view I was starting to think maybe don't buy any
electronics for awhile?
Especially since the practice of many companies is, even if your unit
failed in only 3 months, you might get a refurbished unit that is much
older back.
Yes they guarantee it is in perfect working order again, but just my
opinion, if the unit breaks in the first 90 days you should get a brand
new replacement.
Bob
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Hudson
Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:02 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
I would suggest that it belies your undoubted professional expertise to
make the assumption that this failure has anything to do with
RoHS-compliance or lead-free. Frankly, it smacks of hysteria. Surely you
can think of at least a dozen other potential failure modes, all equally
likely? Let's see some evidence in this case before you throw your toys
out of the playpen.
Dave
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On 26/05/07, Joe Fjelstad <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Greetings folks,
>
> I don't know, (nor will I likely ever know) what the problem is but my
> brand new RoHS compliant laptop has the distinction of being the
> shortest
lived
> one I ever owned.
>
> It is a trusted brand name supplier from Japan and I have always been
> pleased with their bullet proof reliability. My earlier version is
still
> working
> very well, just a little slow. The new one was a high-end small,
> lightweight model that touted reliability in ads. On this one,
> however, 4 weeks
after
> purchase and with very little use, the CD just stopped working for no
> apparent reason.
>
> I would really be curious to know what went wrong but I am going to be
> returning it to the store and will now be looking for something
cheaper
> and
> hopefully non RoHS compliant. I cannot afford to pay big bucks for
> unreliable products.
>
> (I almost wonder if someone out there is getting back at me for
protesting
> lead-free too much.. ;-)
>
> Wishing better luck to the rest of you.
> Joe
>
>
>
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> http://www.aol.com.
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