Thanks George,
Such words from you are technical vitamins. Indeed, I had to finish before the winning post. I'm nicknamed the "terrier" here, usually don't let go anything once I clench the teeth, but my client thinks he can take over here. I have already asked for MTBF or similar that could give a better background, but he does not like that. Your proposal to swap is brilliant, and is already in the report, posted to another country.
"Wie get's mit ENIG?"
"Wenig." ha-ha
Inge
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You've done an extremely thorough job of analyzing the Ingemar,
You've done an extremely thorough job of analyzing the issue associated with randomly lifted FPGA pads and you've listed many logical conclusions. However, your email seems to indicate that you are getting tired of looking through the kaleidoscope and going around in circles. That doesn't sound like the "old Ingemar" I interacted with several years back. However, I do understand and I think Werner would agree that all customers are not the same and some have a tendency to make their technical talents feel like they are going around in circles. The one thing I did not get out of your first email posting was a sense of how random the randomly lifted FPGA pad is. In order to do an informed risk assessment one needs the data to input into the risk assessment. You've certainly provided the technical knowledge of possibilities but what is missing is the frequency or percentage of lifted pads. I'd like to make one other suggestion that you might want to consider in the report to your customer. Since your customer is using ENIG PCBs the only real method I know of to determine if the lifted pads are related to ENIG is to run a comparison to another surface finish. I would recommend that your customer have a percentage of his boards fabricated with immersion silver and track the occurrences of lifted pads. If the frequency of occurrences stays the say with ENIG boards and you don't see lifted pads with immersion silver boards your customer with then have "real" data to allow them to make a decision of how they want to proceed; work with their ENIG board vendor to improve the PCB surface finish quality or switch to an alternate surface finish.
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George
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Hi Inge!
Well folks, another Swede adventure comes to an end, but he has left in his wake yet one more image in a kaleidoscope of SEM's and cross-sections that has all of our eyeballs spinning:
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/VDO8073_IMPROVED_CROSSECTION_2.jpg
I think if you look through the many images that Inge has sent for me to post on my web page over the years, there a few gems that could be blown-up and framed as art...
Steve Gregory
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Well, well, anything funny comes to an end. I have to write a report and I will do my best to convince my client. If anything goes wrong, I will say : this is what the TechNet gurus decided....he-he
Seriously, I think I have focused on wrong objects. Gone in circles. Not unusual in our profession. I have considered and weighted what you gnus had to say, and made this logical conclusion:
General joint strength: Good
Leads plating: OK
Solder pad plating: OK
Solder paste: OK
Solder phases near lead: OK
Solder phases in middle of joint: OK
Solder phases near solder pad: OK
IMC at lead interface: OK
Solder voids: caused by insufficient peak dwell Solder voids vs. failure: not primary cause Solder void content: debris caused by micro shockwaves in water, polishing grains acts as abrasive, soft Lead partly removed mechanically.
Solder voiding countermeasure: diamond milk, low rotation speed.
Fracture at lead interface: NO
Fracture in the middle of joint: NO
Fracture at solder pad surface: NO
Fracture at lead/IMC interface: likely
Fracture frequency: random
Fracture pattern from field : random
Black pad: not likely
Skip plating: not likely
Dewetting: not likely
IMC at solder pad interface: much varying in thickness, partly missing!
Consequence of poor IMC: local weakness in joint strength Cause for poor IMC on solder pad: Insufficient soldering Primary failure cause: varying flow of coating under FPGA, thermomechanical impacts overloads regions with missing IMC.
Countermeasure: No coating allowed under FPGA, improved solder profile.
The confidence of this conclusion is better than 50/50, best I could do.
Look at last photo, which I send to Steve. Follow the IMC from right to left. Seen even better in SEM, but this is THE END.
Thanks all
Inge
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Dave,
Goofy, agree. No, I have not confirmed the ENIG finish, because my client did not send naked boards to me. I will ask for a fresh board so that we can check the condition. That's a good thought, to investigate the parts before assembly, the board, the solder paste and the FPGAs. My client denies there could be anything wrong here, but it can, of course.
I'll call them tomorrow.
As you could read, one guy pointed out that the voids can be created at the polishing process, because of Lead dissolved by the water. Sounds goofy too. Suppose that could happen, why don't I get that when polishing the good references then. I've seen SnPb cross sections for years, but never seen Lead being superseded by voids!
OK, can try oil polishing instead...
Inge
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Hi folks! I agree with Vlad - I don't see any "B" word characteristics in the nickel plating. Looking over the SEM photos, something just looks goofy. As Vlad pointed out the voids don't seem to be from a flux outgassing root cause - they contain rough, jagged features. Inge - have
you run a SEM EDX analysis to get a chemical ID on the structures inside
the voids? My guess is that the cause of the poor solder joint integrity
is linked to the formation of your strange void structures. I was thinking maybe gold embrittlement but if you are using ENIG then you don't have enough gold present. Have you confirmed that the ENIG finish was correct?
Dave
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Hi Inge,
The images are nice and clearly prove we won't have to use the "B" word any more (at least not in that case).
But I got even more confused :-)
My uneducated guess would be that the first two images were taken in the backscattered electron topo mode. That would explain why there are plenty of blubs/hillocks (or whatever one'd prefer to call them) on the surface.
That is how surface CAVITIES (not protrusions) can look like in that particular mode.
It's sort of an optical illusion.
Your other pictures are in the secondary electron mode and here the cavities do look like cavities.
If I'm right, then I'd have to understand what those black spots are, as
they don't look like voids (voids woud look like protrusions and I'd expect voids to be more rounded).
The interface on the board side looks normal on all images (and from my understanding that is the interface you are having the problem with).
I don't see any Ni on the lead side and I don't like how the intermetallics looks like there (there is kind of a "demarkation" line inside the layer, which might bring up a couple of speculations on is origin).
The intermrtallics is most probably (Ni-Cu)/Sn, not Ni/Sn as you have a huge source of Cu (cut off lead). It even looks like Ni-Cu/Sn, not Ni/Sn.
And now we got down to the most "misterious" part :-) - those cavities in the surface. I might be wrong, but I think I either heard or read somewhere that Pb is etched away during polishing (reaction with water).
That would explain why you see the cavities. To prove (or disprove) my point, I'd take pictures from the same areas in backscattedred COMPOSITIONAL (not topo) mode.
And after all, I'd love to see how a failed joint look like in cross-section (with the lifted lead) :-)
BTW, did you see those Sn spheres? :-)
Regards,
Vladimir
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Sent: Tue May 08 14:44:42 2007
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Vlad & TN gnus,
Hey, curious? I'm still concerned, but at a higher level, as said Newton. To begin with, I Xsectioned samples from failed part AND known good references. Both finished with 0.1 micron diamond milk. Etched for 10 second, 5 seconds, 1 second and no etching at all. Same result: voids in the failed parts, absolutely flat with references. I'll send photos to Mr Wallman, alias Steve.
Pic new xsections_1 : typical solder joint with void concentrations under the lead's foot. Not etched.
Pic new xsections_2 : details from under the lead's foot. Nickel plating seen clearly, and a very thin nickel IMC layer. All bright areas are predominated by Tin, very little Lead. Black spots are voids that contains a little of everything debris from polishing. Not etched.
Pic SEM_3 shows following: from bottom copper pad / solder joint with voids / lead with nickel finish. Not etched.
Pic SEM_1 shows upper part of solder joint, with lead copper uppermost.
Not etched.
Pic SEM_ 2 shows typical solder joint at higher magnification with predominating Tin and also little Lead and Copper. Not etched.
As I said earlier, the references show no voids at all like the above.
Preliminary, I have excluded Black pads and Skip plating. Furthermore, I don't think there are brittle copper IMCs either, even if there are relatively high Cu peaks everywhere. Think Cu peaks come from preparation. Nor is it likely with Ni IMCs, they belong to the interface parts. So, what is this? Someone mentioned a insufficient soldering process, and that is finally what I begin to think too. Against this speaks the very experienced and big company that makes these boards (one of the big elephants, not Ericsson, not American). On the other hand, even the best can fail.
The failure appears randomly around the world, much annoying for the customers, and the technicians scratch their heads.
Finally, I remind you all about the fact, that the fractures start close to the solder pads and spread to the middle of the solder joints. And only on the large FPGAs. No other components are hit.
Inge
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So inge,
What the cross-section looked like? :-)
Vladimir
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Diet Coke! Man! Does not remove black pads on your teeth..
New samples are ordered, will try both oxides on paper and diamond on nylon.
If the customer pays, I may try even FIB or TOFSIMS. Both are superior, and even if the time tax is high, I must say that polishing, and repolishing and endlessly repeated polishing can be quite expensive as well.
Inge
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Hi George! Good comments! It does seem that the industry, at times, spends more time in describing a phenomena rather than resolving the root cause
so that we can avoid a reoccurrence. As for Inge's Monday dilemma, I would wait and see what the cross-section results reveal. If the observations are that the nickel plating grain boundaries look bad, then I would work
with my pwb fabricator on what went wrong in the plating bath. It the observations are that the nickel plating grain boundaries look good, I would chase either a poor solderability or a poor soldering process root
cause. As you noted, the plating chemistry suppliers have worked extremely hard on making the ENIG plating process more robust and "real" black pad
problems are less prevalent today. I have always viewed the solution to black pad as one of two choices: don't use ENIG or work very closely with the pwb fabricator. Here is an article reference which I think really does the best job to date, of describing the root cause of black pad (one of the contributors is our good fried Dick Coyle!).
Zeng, Steirman, Abbott, Murtuza, "The Root Cause of Black Pad Failure of
Solder Joints with Electroless Ni/Immersion Gold Plating", JOM, June 2006, pp. 75-79
The reality for us may be that no amount of plating bath control will completely eliminate the potential of having a black pad situation and that a risk assessment on a product basis is the final solution. Ouch, way too much thinking on a Monday before I have had a Diet Coke!
Dave
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David,
I hate the "B" word because it describes an optical appearance rather than a failure mechanism. I've heard the "B" word as well as terms like "weak Nickel" and "Black Line Nickel" used many times to describe ENIG failures. The reason I don't like these terms is because they are adjectives to describe what one thinks they see and don't describe the failure mechanism that causes the brittle interface failures. We use ENIG on an old telecommunications legacy product because it wouldn't be profitable to do any engineering evaluations to qualify another surface finish. However, since the root cause of the ENIG solder joint failure mechanism has never been understood or resolved to the point where one can turn it on or off, we avoid the use of ENIG surface finish on all new products. Even though the suppliers of ENIG chemistry have done a great job of monitoring their chemistry and educating board shops on the proper controls to reduce the occurrences of brittle solder joint failures they haven't been able to eliminate these type of failure.
Ingemar is one of the few people I know of on TN that not only has a great understanding of solder joints but appreciates the process control details one needs to follow in PCB fabrication as well as PCBA to avoid un-reliable solder joints. His current problem (i.e., not being able to understand the failure mechanism or predict when it is going to happen) is the major reason we avoid the use of ENIG surface finish.
Let's just say Ingemar does a cross section and confirms that there is "mud flat" nickel grain boundary attack, what does he do on Monday?
Your advice about having a beer because it is Friday and not worrying about this until Monday only will help this weekend but come Monday what does he do. I assume that he's already using a "good" board shop and a "Good" ENIG chemistry. I know what we did and it worked for us but as an engineer I'd really like to what the ENIG failure mechanism is and how to avoid it.
Regards,
George
George M. Wenger
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Hi folks and thank you Steve for being "TechNet Picture Central"! Sorry
but just to warn everyone but I am going to use the "B" word shortly.
Inge
- take a close look at picture 4. As Werner pointed out the gold is non-wetting the nickel in number of locations. What really jumped out at me is that "mud flat" appearance on some of the nickel surface regions - a "mud flat" appearance is a classic indication of black pad! I recommend you complete a cross-section to confirm that you have nickel grain boundary attack.
But since it is Friday, go have a beer and worry about this on Monday!
Dave Hillman
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Hi Inge!
Got your pictures posted. Took me a bit, I was swapping our wave
solderpot from 63/37 to HMP. Done now. I'm getting quicker, I can do it
in 20-minutes now. Took me about 45-minutes when I first did it...
Anyways, here's the links:
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Pic1.jpg
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Pic2.jpg
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Pic3.jpg
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Pic4.jpg
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Pic5.jpg
http://stevezeva.homestead.com/files/Pic6.jpg
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Have an issue with (randomly) lifted FPGA leads.
Pic 1: good joint after pull test
Pic 2: ditto but high magnification
Pic 3: "rotten" joint after pull test
Pic 4: ditto but high magnification
Pic 5: "rotten" cross section
Pic 6: ditto but high magnification
60Sn on ENIG, obviously a brittle region. Suspect Kirkendall voids, but
the pockets with zillions of Tin spheres (0.1 to 2 um in size) points at
insufficient peak temperature to make 100% melt and good solidifying. If
these little balls were Lead, I could understand, but they are Tin!
Never seen like. Any "quickhead" out there, need fast advice.
Note: Pic 2, you can see the underlying board pad nickel as dark areas.
An experienced analyst will hopefully recognize. No Phosphorous peaks!
My Friday headache.
Inge
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