My condolences that your attempt to be eco-friendly went down to de feet.
Dewey
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:26 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
Well, it got me home with all 237 microprocessors apparently working!
However, it was cooler today, maxing out at only 30.3°C, but the road
was as bumpy as usual. So, as from today, my carbon footprint has gone
down by ~1.5 tonnes/year. :-)
Brian
Ian Hanna wrote:
> I went shovel shopping last week -- there were three
>
> A beautiful resin handled, tempered steel, rolled edges with tack welds
> and reinforcement at the stress points and seams for $39
> A hardwood handled, hickory, one of similar quality for $29
> And an unpriced chineese model -- inferior wood handle, much more
> roughly shaped, with a wide grain -- stamped steel, no welds, no
> reinforcement...
>
> -- did a price check to compare -- it was $6.99 -- if I used a shovel
> every day I would invest, but for digging rocks now and then from my
> road -- I couldn't justify the $20-$30 difference...
>
> -- I am ashamed, but that is the current reality
>
> I fear soon there will be less shovel selection, I am a more discerning
> shopper than most, and a professional 'quality guy' and still -- price
> influences me
>
> Ian
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:53 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
>
> George,
> As usual, I am in total agreement with you.
> Bev
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wenger, George M. [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:51 AM
> To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Bev Christian
> Subject: RE: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
>
> Bev,
>
> To add to your comment, I'm more convinced than ever that "quality is
> dead". Given three factors 1). Quality, 2). Cost 3). Delivery.
> Customers can choose any two but not three. Even companies like my old
> company (Lucent Technologies / Bell Laboratories) that changed from
> being technology driven to supply change driven are now more worried
> about cost and delivery. They may still be concerned about quality but
> when their customers want the products "NOW" and they want them for "AS
> CHEAP AS POSSIBLE" then quality has to suffer.
>
>
> Regards,
> George
> George M. Wenger
> Senior Principle FMA / Reliability Engineer
> Wireless network Solutions
> Andrew Corporation, 40 Technology Drive, Warren, NJ 07059 (908) 546-4531
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bev Christian
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:34 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
>
> A man I respect in the industry on these matters said (and this applies
> to more than electronics), that "quality is dead". Remember the mantra
> is "smaller, cheaper, faster" or some such. In the late nineties they
> said "quality is of course assumed", but I think that has gone out the
> window now, in the general sense.
> Bev
> RIM
>
> The opinions expressed herein are my own and do not necessarily
> represent those of the company that I work for. (And I am making no
> inferences one way or the other about our own products.)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Wolfe, Robert
> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:27 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
>
> Joe,
> Just a thought without any real data (but sure has me wondering
> slightly).
> EVERY single piece of electronic equipment I've purchased within the
> last year has either failed almost out of the box or soon after.
> This includes 2 notebook computers, a PA Amp, 3 cell phones, a wireless
> phone, an all-in-one printer.
> Now yes like many have stated here with out data there is no case and
> there are many reasons that could be the problem, and may not have
> anything to do with RoHS.
> But from a John Q. Public buyer standpoint was I jinxed this last year
> were the odds not all in my favor, could be but certainly has me
> wondering why 100% of what I bought electronically never had problems
> till this past year everything had a problem (100%)???
>>From my point of view I was starting to think maybe don't buy any
> electronics for awhile?
> Especially since the practice of many companies is, even if your unit
> failed in only 3 months, you might get a refurbished unit that is much
> older back.
> Yes they guarantee it is in perfect working order again, but just my
> opinion, if the unit breaks in the first 90 days you should get a brand
> new replacement.
> Bob
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David Hudson
> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 1:02 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] RoHS compliant laptop with early failure
>
> I would suggest that it belies your undoubted professional expertise to
> make the assumption that this failure has anything to do with
> RoHS-compliance or lead-free. Frankly, it smacks of hysteria. Surely you
> can think of at least a dozen other potential failure modes, all equally
> likely? Let's see some evidence in this case before you throw your toys
> out of the playpen.
>
> Dave
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