Not too sure. It is not an engineering or a true environmental problem
assessment process ( my assessment) - if it were I could give a
probability.
The law is the law............I am waiting patiently for the due process to
pronounce on this one.
Kind regards,
John
John Burke
(408) 515 4992
-----Original Message-----
From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Timothy McGrady
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 6:01 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LF] Concern over lead free munitions - NTC
Congratulations on the 330 hits for that exemption request - that's really
amazing. Got any feeling how it might turn out?
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Burke" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [LF] Concern over lead free munitions - NTC
> By the way: does anyone know when the Oko Institute and TAC will be done
> deciding on the last batch of exemption requests?
>
> I wish I did know, I will ping the consultants and see if there are any
> updates to be had,
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John Burke
>
> (408) 515 4992
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Timothy McGrady
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 3:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [LF] Concern over lead free munitions - NTC
>
> The funny thing is that I was put into that group - it was me, a
> RoHS-skeptic, versus a whole room of European, UC Davis and UC Berkeley
> environmentalists expounding the virtues of life-cycle analysis and the
> banning of every heavy metal on the periodic table. I think someone
> played
> a cruel joke on me.
>
> During my presentation, which was first (I had no idea I was surrounded!)
> I
> played a clip from Thomas L. Friedman's Discovery-Times documentary
> entitled
>
> "Does Europe Hate Us?" (I have his permission to play it for non-profit
> events and government meetings) In that segment, Tom interviews a
> Frenchman
>
> from Greenpeace about all the new environmental laws. At one point, Tom
> says that he feels he needs a chest X-Ray after sitting in French
> restaurants where people are smoking. The Frenchman answers that there is
> a
>
> law against smoking in restaurants in France (note: law just updated
> recently), but the French aren't very disciplined. It usually brings a
> good
>
> laugh, but this was a tough crowd.
>
> I didn't get many questions from my presentation, which is highly
> unusual -
> I usually have to stay afterwards and have a question and answer period.
> Anyway, I soon found out that everyone else in the room was talking about
> banning copper and how there are substitutes for hexavalent chromium
> conversion coatings. When the guy brought up his proposed ban on copper,
> I
> just couldn't take it anymore. I told him that EVERYTHING is chemical in
> nature and that EVERYTHING is hazardous given certain conditions and
> concentrations. I told them that living is a risk - people die every day
> from all kinds of things - and the goal was to mitigate the risks, not put
> everyone in a plastic bubble. At that, the moderator chuckled (I wasn't
> laughing) and ended the session.
>
> The thing I took away from that conference was that the so-called
> environmentalists have a dogmatic belief in what the EU and California (EU
> USA) are doing, and they don't have a lick of sense between them. By the
> way, the dihydrogen oxide or dihydrogen monoxide spoof wouldn't have gone
> over very well, and I'm sure that they had heard that one before. I was
> trying to engage those people, but I could tell they were just stuck in
> their world dreaming of organically grown vegetables and absolutely pure
> water with a concentration of less than four parts per trillion arsenic
> (that's another story from California). That's why I absolutely hate the
> idea of REACH - we're going to get shovelfuls of the same crap once the
> Euros get that rolling.
>
> I thought of asking them if they had ever heard anyone stand up and state
> "I
>
> am against human health and the environment." - The Euros were so
> critical
> of GW when he said "you're either with us, or against us" which was really
> stupid, but they are essentially saying the same thing with their
> environmental legislation - They're right, and if you oppose them, you're
> against human health and the environment.
>
> By the way: does anyone know when the Oko Institute and TAC will be done
> deciding on the last batch of exemption requests?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Davy, Gordon" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 4:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [LF] Concern over lead free munitions - NTC
>
>
> Timothy,
>
> So someone was willing to stand up in a meeting of like-minded souls and
> propose that copper be banned? What kind of reception did they give his
> proposal? Would they have listened to you if you had pointed out the
> simplemindedness of relying solely on an MSDS to identify substances
> that should be banned?
>
> If you get a chance with this group, try proposing a ban on dihydrogen
> oxide. Maybe that will distract them for a while.
>
>
>
> Gordon Davy
>
>
>
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