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Graham
I have seen hundreds of assembly drawings that included keepout areas
for the conformal coatings. I have seen them at Honeywell, General
Dynamics, ADC, Goodrich, and many, many other companies while I was
employed at those places. 
Having also worked for three contract manufacturers, including the one I
own, I have had to review the assembly notes for developing the process
flow of literally hundreds of customers, and using the assembly drawing
to designate keepout areas for conformal coating is a very common
everyday method of controlling which components need masking to prevent
cc flow.
Most of these companies are well aware of the potential problems of
allowing cc to flow under BGAs. Just as underfill properties are (should
be) very carefully matched to the size and type of the BGA and the
substrate type to prevent voiding and CTE mismatch issues, these very
issues are why cc should not be applied under BGAs. Conformal coating is
kept out from under certain sockets and connectors to prevent it from
seeping inside the connector contacts, it is kept out from under certain
SMA coax connectors so as to prevent unintentional insulating of the
ground connection on the outside, it is kept out from many areas for
many different reasons. And the only acceptable place to note these
keepout areas is on the assembly drawing. It is not just "assumed
knowledge". Most conformal coating have a capillary action greater than
water, if it is not masked properly it will get into literally every
space where it is possible for any liquid to flow, including some areas
it should not be in. 

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Collins
Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 2:28 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] BGA and conformal coating

Hi Bogert

Happy turkey day!

I have to ask, do you apply conformal coating?  If so, how do you apply
it under things like pin grid array parts?  Quad flatpacks?  Vertical
plug connectors where you don't have access to the top side solder
joints?  DC/DC converter blocks?  SMT Chip resistors?

Sorry, but I've got to disagree with you.  I've never seen a drawing
that specified "no coating required" under shadowed parts, and I have
never talked with a quality engineer or process engineer who thought
that meant coating under the parts (maybe you are the first, what is
your job???).


regards,

Graham Collins
Process Engineer,
L-3 Communications Electronic Systems Inc.
Halifax
(902) 873-2000 ext 6215

>>> [log in to unmask] 11/23/06 03:27PM >>>
November 23, 2006

Dave, happy turkey day.  My response did not mean I agree that conformal
coating should in fact be applied under a component.  What I indicated
was that if the drawing specifically mandated that the assembly be
conformal coated, then the expectation is that coating must be applied
under, over, and everywhere else on the assembly unless the assembly
drawing specifically requires masking free of certain areas from
conformal coating..  If conformal coating should not be applied under a
part, then the drawing needs to say so.
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: David D. Hillman<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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  Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 6:27 PM
  Subject: Re: [TN] BGA and conformal coating


  Hi Bogert! Sorry but I respectfully disagree. If the contract requires
the
  assembly to be conformal coating and provides no other process
guidance
  then I would process the assembly in accordance with best industry
  practice/accepted material process practice for the particular
conformal
  coating material specified. As other TechNettees have documented,
  intentionally forcing AR or UR conformal coating under a component is
not
  standard conformal coating practice as the such an action results in
  degraded component/product integrity due to CTE mismatch for many use
  environments. However, if I was using a paralyene conformal coating,
  standard material process practice is quite the opposite - paralyene
  conformal coating is design to coat all pwa surfaces. The application
  process for each conformal coating material dictates how/where it
should be
  applied unless there are specific instruction that deviate from
standard
  practice (such as a specific exclusion area for RF, etc.).

  Dave



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  If the contract assembly drawing requires the assembly to be conformal
  coated, unless it also allows the area under the BGA to be free of
coating,
  then you are in violation of the contract drawing regardless of what
610
  says or does not say.
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    Hi Joe - Your statement......." type AR or type UR does not coat the
BGA
    solder balls/solder connections located under the BGA so you are
  violating
    the acceptability requirements in IPC-A-610" has me some confused.
What
    IPC-A-610 requirement is violated?

    Dave Hillman
    Rockwell Collins

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    Vered,

    I would start with IPC-A-610 and J-STD-001 documents. One item that
is
  over
    looked is that spraying a board with for example type AR or type UR
does
    not
    coat the BGA solder balls/solder connections located under the BGA
so you
    are violating the acceptability requirements in IPC-A-610!

    Good luck,
    - Joe


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    From: Vered BS [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
    Sent: Monday, November 20, 2006 8:40 AM
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    Subject: [TN] BGA and conformal coating

    looking for reviews/articles or case studies regarding conformal
coating
  on
    BGA
    for military/aerospace environment
    Appreciate any comment or sharing your experiance
    Thanks
    Vered

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