Hi All,
Can I have the 3 % statistics sources? Web site?
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Best Regards
Reuven ROKAH
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D.
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 3:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] [LF] Why EU Not Busting for RoHS Violations Yet
You are absolutely correct, Ramon.
Because of the incorporation of RoHS, there will probably be reduced
warranties. This will bring in an increase in recycling. Perhaps this is
what they meant when they said RoHS will help facilitate recycling.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dehoyos, Ramon
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 7:15 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] [LF] Why EU Not Busting for RoHS Violations Yet
There is a 3% increase in electronic product returns as of now.
How many products last just over a year and the customer has no
recourse. That kind of issues are not reported nor can they be known.
Perhaps if they counted the amount of electronic that ends up in the
landfill. I am sure there is an increase well beyond 3% right now. If it
was not an issue, why are people worried to use the kind of process in
aircraft, outer space, military or nuclear power plants?
Ramon
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Eric CHRISTISON
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 4:47 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] [LF] Why EU Not Busting for RoHS Violations Yet
Richard,
Many mobile phone manufacturers have been lead free for some time now,
I'm talking years in the case of one very large manufacturer. I'm sure
there will be problems but for consumer products at least, I don't
expect them to create an electronic Armageddon. There are several
hundred million lead free PCB's out there, being used all over the world
with few reliability issues.
Tell me, I'm too young to know, were there similar cries of doom and
gloom when IBM started forcing the electronics industry over to SMD
technology in the 80'S?
Regards,
> Stadem, Richard D. wrote:
>> "And we haven't yet seen the reliability blow-ups and resulting
>> fall-out, yet."
>>
>> Where did that come from? More solid facts, figures and logic?
>>
>> The electronics industry is indeed seeing some fallout, mostly within
>> the factories in terms of process issues as discussed within these
>> forums. The issues that have been reported are wetting problems,
>> delamination, reduced component reliability, open vias and copper
>> pads dissolving away during soldering and rework with Sn100, great
>> increases in tombstoning and spattering, to mention just a few
reported here.
>>
>> I would expect more problems experienced in terms of shorter
>> reliability about July of 2007, if not sooner. Get ready, Werner.
>>
>> And that's just what we know for sure. How many of the problems
>> associated with lead-free product reliability do you think will be
>> openly reported? Or even detected accurately, for that matter?
>>
>> Is anyone going to announce to the world that they are getting more
>> field returns than they did before they switched? Swatch is going to
>> be an exception to the rule.
>>
>> Somehow, I don't think that Airbus is going to announce, "Well,
>> folks, we tried out that there fancy new-fangled lead-free teknolchy,
>> and by golly it didn't work as well as we thought it would. Shoulda
>> seen the size of the hole in the ground."
>>
>> But, then, perhaps we should report it. I can't think of a better way
>> to end this nonsense...........
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Harvey Miller
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 2:25 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [LF] Why EU Not Busting for RoHS Violations Yet
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> Penetration of lead-free solder in North America is about 50%. If
>> you substitute U.S., Canada, and Mexico for China you'll be closer to
>> the mark.
>> But the idea you express is probably correct. The EU will indeed
>> have an enforcement problem.
>>
>> And we haven't yet seen the reliability blow-ups and resulting
>> fall-out, yet.
>>
>> Go back to the drawing board, EU, and do it right. Exempt lead in
>> electronics!
>>
>> --- Brian Epstein <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> It has occurred to me that enforcement bodies in the EU have
>>> probably done a significant amount of product testing for the six
>>> substances and have found that products from European companies
>>> generally comply and products from China generally don't. Since
>>> China exports so much,
>>>
>>
>>
>>> the Europeans might not know how to deal with these products because
>>> of the anticipated market disruptions, the resultant economic chaos,
>>> and the political fallout.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Brian Epstein
>>> Sr Regulatory Compliance Engineer
>>> Veeco Instruments
>>> ph: 805-967-2700 ext 2315
>>> fx: 805-967-7717
>>> ce: 805-591-9587
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Leadfree [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Kirschner
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:05 PM
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: [LF] EU Not Busting for RoHS Violations Yet
>>>
>>> Rob Spiegel spoke, at our behest, to Steve Andrews to get a clear
>>> response on why we haven't seen any visible cases of non-compliance
>>> in
>>>
>>
>>
>>> the EU yet. He has more credibility on this topic than just about
>>> anyone, even DCA ;o)
>>>
>>> You can read his story, entitled "EU Not Busting for RoHS Violations
>>> Yet", at
>>>
>>> http://www.designnews.com/article/CA6387098.html
>>>
>>> So the bottom line is that they're trying to find that first case to
>>> go public with.
>>>
>>> Mike Kirschner
>>> Design Chain Associates, LLC
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