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"Ingemar Hernefjord (KC/EMW)" <[log in to unmask]>
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TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>, Ingemar Hernefjord (KC/EMW)
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Brian, I use to see your words as kingswords, but in this case I must
ask you to give an example on the astrociousity, please. My english
isn't the best, maybe I've something to learn here...offline if you
prefer that.
Inge 

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: den 30 augusti 2006 18:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Does anyone else on Technet find this situation beyond
c omprehension?

On the whole, from a quick skim through, I find the doc is intelligible.
The grammar is atrocious in places and the consistency of terminology is
poor. A few hours work by a skilled technical editor would bring it up
to scratch, IMHO.

Brian

Gerard O'Brien wrote:
> Rudy - I would appreciate it when you decide to slam the work of the 
> committees that you correctly identify the committee you are having a 
> problem with. You say in the first paragraph that you received this 
> message pertaining to your negative vote on the immersion tin standard

> but yet the message from Tom pertains to the 003B solderability
standard.
> As co-chairman of the committee responsible for the immersion tin 
> standard I would like to point out that a) you are not on the mailing 
> list, b) we did not receive a negative vote from you.
>
>
> Regards
>
> Gerard O'Brien
> Co-chairman of 4-14
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: R Sedlak [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 9:35 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] Does anyone else on Technet find this situation beyond 
> comprehension?
>
>     Just in case anyone still has any remaining hopes that the IPC 
> might actually someday attempt to achieve something worthwhile, or 
> perhaps attempt to minimize the confusion in our world, I offer this 
> e-mail message which I received from the IPC in response to my 
> negative vote on the proposed Immersion Tin standards.
>
>   It is important to realize, to get the full flavor of this message, 
> that the standard was submitted to me for my review with two options:
1. Accept
> as written,  or 2. reject, with reasons given for rejection.   I
rejected,
> because the standard was written in a way which was essentially 
> unintelligible, and I could not even figure out what they were trying 
> to say.
>   I received the following message in return.
>
>
> ---------------------------------
>
>   From: Tom Newton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:46 AM
> To: Rudy Sedlak
> Subject: Your Negative Vote Submitted Against IPC J-STD-003B
>
>
>     Rudy Sedlak:
>
>   The IPC 5-23a Printed Wiring Board Solderability Specification Task 
> Group is in the final stages of resolving all Technical Comments for 
> the initial Ballot or potential upcoming Negative Vote Resolution 
> Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B, Solderability Tests for Printed Boards 
> document.  Sadly, this is admittedly a
>   very long time since the original Ballot was closed at the end of 
> June 2006.
>
>   Never-the-less, I am now responding back to you on your Negative 
> Vote submitted on June 26, 2006.
>
>   Please note that I have attached this response to the full string of

> E-mail correspondence we have had on this document, so that the 
> 'history' of these
>   communications is recorded.
>
>   Your vote on the ballot for IPC J-STD-003B will be shown as having 
> been submitted toward the Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B.  That is, IPC will
show that
>   you did reply to the Ballot.
>
>   However, because the following statement:
>   "The wording is so difficult to understand and convoluted, and it is

> so verbose, it is essentially unintelligible. (And if I am offending 
> key people, I apologize, but somebody has to draw a line in the
sand.)"
>
>   that was provided as your sole support for your Negative Vote does 
> not contain at least one specific technical detail with a suggested 
> technical solution,  your negative vote will not be accepted by the
5-23a Task Group.
>
>   This response will be duly recorded with all of the actions 
> concerning the IPC Ballot for the IPC J-STD-003B document.  
> Additionally, if IPC has communication with the American National 
> Standards Institute (ANSI) on this document, your vote will be shown 
> as an "Unsupported Negative Vote" (one of ANSI's vote categories).
>
>   Accordingly, IPC thanks you for your ballot submission on IPC
J-STD-003B.
>
>   Sincerely,
>
>   Thomas D. Newton
>   Director PCB Programs, Standards and Technology
>   IPC - Association Connecting Electronics Industries
>   3000 Lakeside Drive; Suite 309-S
>   Bannockburn, IL 60015
>   Direct: 847-597-2849              Main: 847-615-7100
>   Fax: 847-615-7105
>   E-mail: [log in to unmask]   web: www.ipc.org
>
>
>
>
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