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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,

The IPC clearly took a leaf out of the European politician's book.

You said it was unintelligible which was not a technical argument and so was
rejected.

I applied for an exemption to the EU for lead in solders on the grounds that
the alternates were environmentally damaging - which was rejected because I
would have to list specifically EVERY instance where that solder was used,
chip caps, chip resistors etc.

So Rudy in the spirit that your vote was made I suggest you write directly
to the ANSI review board on the issue since an unintelligibly written
standard does not require in my opinion at least a technical argument, it
needs ACTION by the reviewing committee to correct the situation.

Or am I missing something here.

I believe Werner is having similar issues with content on slash sheets for
laminates not being too useful.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of R Sedlak
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 7:35 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] Does anyone else on Technet find this situation beyond
comprehension?

    Just in case anyone still has any remaining hopes that the IPC might
actually someday attempt to achieve something worthwhile, or perhaps attempt
to minimize the confusion in our world, I offer this e-mail message which I
received from the IPC in response to my negative vote on the proposed
Immersion Tin standards.

  It is important to realize, to get the full flavor of this message, that
the standard was submitted to me for my review with two options:  1. Accept
as written,  or 2. reject, with reasons given for rejection.   I rejected,
because the standard was written in a way which was essentially
unintelligible, and I could not even figure out what they were trying to
say.
  I received the following message in return.


---------------------------------

  From: Tom Newton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 6:46 AM
To: Rudy Sedlak
Subject: Your Negative Vote Submitted Against IPC J-STD-003B


    Rudy Sedlak:

  The IPC 5-23a Printed Wiring Board Solderability Specification Task Group
is in the final stages of resolving all Technical Comments for the initial
Ballot or potential upcoming Negative Vote Resolution Ballot on IPC
J-STD-003B, Solderability Tests for Printed Boards document.  Sadly, this is
admittedly a
  very long time since the original Ballot was closed at the end of June
2006.

  Never-the-less, I am now responding back to you on your Negative Vote
submitted on June 26, 2006.

  Please note that I have attached this response to the full string of
E-mail correspondence we have had on this document, so that the 'history' of
these
  communications is recorded.

  Your vote on the ballot for IPC J-STD-003B will be shown as having been
submitted toward the Ballot on IPC J-STD-003B.  That is, IPC will show that
  you did reply to the Ballot.

  However, because the following statement:
  "The wording is so difficult to understand and convoluted, and it is so
verbose, it is essentially unintelligible. (And if I am offending key
people, I apologize, but somebody has to draw a line in the sand.)"

  that was provided as your sole support for your Negative Vote does not
contain at least one specific technical detail with a suggested technical
solution,  your negative vote will not be accepted by the 5-23a Task Group.

  This response will be duly recorded with all of the actions concerning the
IPC Ballot for the IPC J-STD-003B document.  Additionally, if IPC has
communication with the American National Standards Institute (ANSI) on this
document, your vote will be shown as an "Unsupported Negative Vote" (one of
ANSI's vote categories).

  Accordingly, IPC thanks you for your ballot submission on IPC J-STD-003B.

  Sincerely,

  Thomas D. Newton
  Director PCB Programs, Standards and Technology
  IPC - Association Connecting Electronics Industries
  3000 Lakeside Drive; Suite 309-S
  Bannockburn, IL 60015
  Direct: 847-597-2849              Main: 847-615-7100
  Fax: 847-615-7105
  E-mail: [log in to unmask]   web: www.ipc.org




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