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Well put Richard.

I have one additional comment: I would caution you to watch the  ramp temps with PbSn paste and a 
 Pb Free profile.  You may burn off the flux too quickly.



Danielle L. Casha

        -----Original Message-----
        From:   TechNet [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard D.
        Sent:   Friday, July 28, 2006 10:59 AM
        To:     [log in to unmask]
        Subject:        Re: [TN] BGAs; SnPb vice SAC Balls

        Mike,
        I believe the actual melting temperature of the SAC alloy is more like
        220 deg. C or slightly higher. This means that the other components are
        seeing temperatures in the range of 230 deg. C to 240 deg. C, because in
        order to get the temperature under a BGA to 220 C minimum with a longer
        TALT, the other portions of the pwb that are more exposed to the heat
        are (typically) reaching much higher temperatures as a result. Since you
        need to hold this TALT for a longer time in order to achieve the more
        homogenous alloy mix on the resultant SAC/63-37 mixed solder joints for
        the BGA, you will be subjecting the rest of the components on the board
        to temperatures and dwell times that they should never see. While your
        particular assembly and set of components (including the printed wiring
        board itself) appear to be holding up to this process and you have
        undoubtly qualified it properly, I doubt that most other standard SMT
        assemblies in the industry can or will. This is why, in general, it is
        more often wiser to strip off the SAC alloy and reball the BGAs if you
        are tied to a 63/37 process.  There is far less risk to
        cycles-to-failure rates using BGAs that are reballed properly than there
        is using mixed alloys and higher reflow temps and TALTS. 

        -----Original Message-----
        From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Barmuta, Mike
        Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 9:34 AM
        To: [log in to unmask]
        Subject: Re: [TN] BGAs; SnPb vice SAC Balls

        Bogert: We are faced with the same predicament. As a manufacturer of
        Test and Measurement equipment we are not covered under RoHS. Hence we
        are free to use 63/37 Sn/Pb solderpaste. However we are seeing more and
        more BGA's switching over to SAC only availability. 

        Your statement:" There have been published test studies done that show
        that if one solders BGA's having SAC balls in an assembly soldering
        process using traditional Sn63 solder, an unreliable solder joint may
        exist." Is both true and false.

        If you use a traditional Sn/Pb reflow profile it is true. However the
        profile can be modified to increase temperature and duration above the
        217-219C melting of the SAC alloy. By using the right time, temperature
        and flux activation system you can create a homogenous dispersion of the
        Sn/Pb throughout the SAC solderball. Thus creating a reliable
        solderjoint. This is the route we have chosen to take.

        We have conducted metallurgical and reliability testing and are
        continuing to run long term reliability testing of SAC BGA's with Sn/Pb
        solder. We have not seen any reliability issues.

        The real problem is getting all the other components on the PCA to
        withstand the higher process temps.


        Good luck on whatever direction you take, I know it's a real dilemma.

                                	
        	
        Regards
        	
        Michael Barmuta
        	
        Staff Engineer
        	
        Fluke Corp.
        	
        Everett WA
        	
        425-446-6076 
         



        -----Original Message-----
        From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of - Bogert
        Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 5:16 PM
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        Subject: [TN] BGAs; SnPb vice SAC Balls

        July 27, 2006

        Folks, I have a dilemma regarding the transition to Pb free. 

        As a military user, we have no intention of transitioning to Pb free
        assembly soldering at this time, and probably never, unless industry can
        positively provide documented evidence, based on accelerated life
        testing acceleration factors, that establish that the use of Pb-free
        solders, such as SAC, will provide a product that will meet the same
        reliability life requirements that Pb based solders have been proven to
        meet, and that this level of reliability can be easily and consistently
        achieved on the production floor without hiring a "Rocket Scientist" or
        a team of 20 people to establish the soldering process using Pb-free.

        Given this, I am frustrated by some BGA manufacturers apparent "Don't
        give a dam attitude" about the military users of BGA'S since some folks
        are eliminating Pb from solder balls in favor of alloys such as SAC.
        Appears they are more interested in their bottom line industrial and
        commercial customers than us military folks.  This is understandable
        since us military folks constitute a very small % of their overall
        business.  

        Although some manufacturers will still provide Pb BGA balls, some will
        only provide SAC balls.  Also if Pb balls are requested, there may be
        long lead times involved.

        There have been published test studies done that show that if one
        solders BGA's having SAC balls in an assembly soldering process using
        traditional Sn63 solder, an unreliable solder joint may exist.

        Based on the above, our current intent is to prohibit the use of any BGA
        that does not use SnPb balls.

        My question is, which is the least reliable alternative.  That is,
        allowing BGA'S with SAC balls soldered using Sn63 solder, or having
        someone take the BGAs and have the SAC balls replaced with SnPb balls?  

        What suppliers have the capability of doing this ball replacement?  

        My preference is to stick with the prohibition on non-Pb BGA balls.  The
        down side of this is that by doing this, we may not be able to take
        advantage of new technology parts that may only use SAC balls.

        This Pb free issue is driving up costs.  Since about 50% of the part
        manufacturers are eliminating Pb from their part finishes without
        changing their part numbers, we are forced to implement XRF testing of
        parts received by our OEMs to verify they contain the 3% Pb mandated by
        most military specifications.  

        Just because it is a mil spec part does not mean one will not get Pb
        free part terminations.  There have been several recent GIDEP Alerts
        that indicate that some mil parts contained pure tin finish, in
        violation of the mil spec. 

        While my experience to date is that part manufacturers who have
        transitioned to a Pb free finish such as pure tin have implemented
        tin-whisker mitigation methods, there is no guarantee that all folks
        have done this.  Additionally, even though JP002 tin whisker mitigation
        methods can reduce the risk for growing tin whiskers, if one uses pure
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