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Agreed the benefits of Pb free solders are at best moot, but ....
so far as 113 Freon is concerned objective measurements showed it was not
actually much good as a cleaner. In fact for most people it was like giving
up cigarettes, once you managed to shake the habit you were actually better
and richer.


Regards

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of - Bogert
Sent: 01 May 2006 22:43
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Thank you for all of your support for Pushback

May 1, 2006

In my opinion its time we treated RoHS just like drugs.  That is, "just say
no" to lead-free in electronic solders.  If enough industry folks say no,
lead-free may hopefully die.  Folks across the "pond" have created an
environmental monster with little tangible saving of our environment, with
much technical risk in eliminating lead from solder.  Its kind of like ISO
9000, a vehicle for a lot of folks to make a lot of $.

Look what took place when folks banned Freon as a cleaning solvent to save
the ozone layer.  Folks banned one of the most effective electronic cleaning
solvents, but at the same time did not ban cattle "flatulence" which is my
understanding that this deletes more ozone that all the Freon did (so some
folks say).  It is my understanding that banning Freon type materials also
contributed to more tiles falling off the space shuttle due to NASA desire
to be environmentally responsible.

What we need is an international policy similar to what IPC preaches.  That
is, don't create a requirement unless it can be backed up by data.  Where is
the science data that shows if we delete the miniscule amount of lead from
electronic soldering we will save the environment?

I am all in favor of saving the environment where this makes sense and can
be done in an economical manner and is the right technical thing to do.  But
this elimination of lead from solder will do little to save the environment.

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Joe Fjelstad<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 11:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Thank you for all of your support for Pushback


  Thanks Ramon.

  Looks like some of those in the media are gaining interest  in depth over
  demagogy.

  "NASA safety studies show that an inadvertent thruster firing could  tear
  apart the station and a docked shuttle, triggering  rapid
  depressurization of both spacecraft and killing all  aboard"



  No problem there for the members of the EU Parliament ... only a problem
if
  you are on one of the two craft :-(

  As was  noted earlier, this misguided mandate called RoHS (but  mostly
tagged
  lead-free for marketing purposes) is poised to  extend its reach and
possibly
  (likely?) negative reliability  effects beyond intentions, simply because
of
  the confusion and  arbitrariness of the choices.
  Small examples...Why 0.1% Pb for electronics when the EPA allows 0.2%  for
  water pipe solders? Why WEEE and then RoHS, WEEE should obviate RoHS
(certainly
  seems very true for lead)

  John rightfully pointed out that the EU parliament appears to  be a
  bureaucracy without a country. I would add that it  appears also to have
authority
  without responsibility.

  And so it goes...

  Joe

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