Being a slave to a calendar means your days are numbered.
Do what you want internally, but there needs to be some standardization
globally. Electronic verification or menu prompting or filling needs to
have intelligent recognition capability. This can be by TEI (text
element identifiers ) or digit orientation. DMF(space)MMYYYY(052006)
with both alpha- numeric human readable characters as well as machine
readable code is an established protocol. Other uses that do not need
machine readable code, but do need digit recognition should be DDMMMYY (
02MAY06 ).
Dewey
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ahne Oosterhof
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 2:14 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration
Hi Genny,
A good time to chime in:
I suggest and always use three alphas for the month, so today it is
2May06 or 2-May-06. That format will not generate any confusion anywhere
in the world.
The format year/month/day is really a logical format, because when
sorting on that date format, the results are in time order.
But preventing confusion is more important than to have a nice sortable
format.
Have fun,
Ahne.
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Genny Gibbard
Sent: Tuesday, 02 May, 2006 13:23
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration
One more email from me about this.
Any way to change the date format? It is kind of an unusual format.
2006-05-02. For a date like May 2, I feel this could be mis-interpreted
as Feb 5, since it doesn't define the date format in the form.
Internally, we use the day/mo/yr format. It seems it is common to see
mo/day/yr in the US, so I'm surprised that wasn't used. Why was
yr/mo/day chosen? And why won't it allow the month "name" instead of
just the number, to avoid any ambiguity?
Second question (group):
Can I send the whole zip file to a supplier if they have subcontracters
that they might want to use it with, or should they go to the IPC
website and download it personally? I am thinking of a supplier that
makes mechanical parts, that might not normally be registered with IPC?
Would they be restricted from downloading it themselves from the IPC
website?
OK, I'm questioned out, for now. This has been a big week for me with
posts...and it's only Tuesday.
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
Sent: May 1, 2006 12:41 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration
Hi Genny.
Originally I was trying to get data to RoHS declaration PLUS the Jig
list as well as manufacturing data (Class 4).
In my previous employment, the problem I had with this was that in a lot
of cases I was getting zero response due to the jig a and b lists.
When I "toned down" the requests to "just RoHS" (class 1) or "RoHS plus
manufacturing info (class 2) the response hit rate was much better as
well as faster.
There are professional "data gathering" companies out there who have an
amazing record of response rate since they have the bandwidth to be
tenacious. I have found that setting realistic goals on the response
time of around 1 month and sending "reminder" emails as a count-down" to
the goal dates worked well.
Unfortunately, there are only 2 months left...............8-(
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Genny Gibbard
Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:56 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration
I have more questions about this. I was just taking a closer look at
the forms (finally had the time). I like how simple it appears to fill
out.
What class were you trying to get people to fill it out to?
Right now, we probably only need class 1, but we might need a higher
class at a later date. I don't know whether to try to get the higher
class data right away, or go back to suppliers later if needed.
If you were requesting a higher class, were you having much trouble
getting the additional detailed info out of suppliers, or did they
generally have that available already?
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
Sent: April 24, 2006 10:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Materials Declaration
I worked on some of the committee sessions for the IPC 218 and so had an
early start. To be honest though I just threw together a PowerPoint
showing which bits they had to fill out and why.
Sent them electronically BUT you should also send them a note with a
link to the adobe wed site so that they open them with the free version
7 reader otherwise the whole thing gets messed up.
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kane, Amol (349) [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 9:15 AM
To: John Burke; TechNet E-Mail Forum
Subject: RE: [TN] Materials Declaration
Thank you John,
A couple of follow up questions if you may.....did you yourself attend
any training on the use of the document? The standard DOES look pretty
self explanatory...also are you filing these electronically to/from the
vendors or sending hard copies to the vendors and then keeping in your
records?
I have to make the implementation decision soon, so getting all the info
I can before making a final plan.
Regards,
Amol Kane
M.S (Industrial Eng.)
Process Engineer
Harvard Custom Manufacturing
941 Route 38 Owego, NY 13827
Phone: (607) 687-7669 x349
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Burke [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 12:11 PM
To: TechNet E-Mail Forum; Kane, Amol (349)
Subject: RE: [TN] Materials Declaration
Yes, and got replies from all vendors, although we had to train most of
them on filling it out.
John
John Burke
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-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kane, Amol (349)
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 4:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] Materials Declaration
Hi all,
Has anyone started using the IPC materials declaration (IPC-1752-1 or
IPC-1752-2) to ask for information from their component suppliers
regarding RoHS compliancy? If not, what are the common criteria for
doing this currently?
Thanks,
Amol Kane
M.S (Industrial Eng.)
Process Engineer
Harvard Custom Manufacturing
941 Route 38 Owego, NY 13827
Phone: (607) 687-7669 x349
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