You could say that the act of probing vias might be shear lunacy??
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey
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Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Question re Test Probe and blind microvia
So you're saying the probing of microvias leaves a yacht to be desired.
Dewey
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rex Waygood
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 9:05 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] Question re Test Probe and blind microvia
I think this might be a Werner aeroplane suggestion.
Would you want to fly the Atlantic in an aircraft where the boards had
microvias probed umpteen times with a great deal of force with spear or
blade point probes?
I'll go by boat thanks.......................
Will your pcb manufacturer fly with you?
Rex
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Valerie St.Cyr
Sent: 19 April 2006 16:33
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Subject: Re: [TN] Question re Test Probe and blind microvia
I don't want to allow it, the Test development engineer doesn't want to
allow it.
But we have no data at all one way or the other, and it would take some
time to make up a DOE, get samples fabricated, make a test fixture for
this experiment etc etc... They want an answer and preferably one with
some amount of experience informing the decision..... so, just trying to
see if anyone has tried it.
Valerie
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Re: [TN] Question re Test Probe and blind microvia
I will be interested to read the replies of others.
We've never probed microvias but as vias in general are probably the
least reliable part of a pcb and pcbs often the least reliable part of
an assembly.............do you want to be "hitting it with a LOT of
force"????
Our approach is to avoid probe testing on vias, never yet contemplated a
microvia.
Rex
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Valerie St.Cyr
Sent: 19 April 2006 15:10
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Subject: [TN] Question re Test Probe and blind microvia
All,
I have a question: have any of you first hand experience with allowing
blind microvias to be used as test points for In-circuit or Functional
Test?
The Engineer would like to probe a microvia to eliminate the stub we
would normally have from a through hole via used as a test point. I
don't know if that should be avoided. The probes we used are either
"spear" or "blade" tips; I am talking about probing the loaded board, so
this means probing after the board has seen 3 or maybe 4 reflows; the
microvia starting laser ablated diameter is typically .006"; if it is a
Layer 1 to Layer 2 it is .003" or .004" deep (we used prepreg in that
opening, no RCC); if it is Layer 1 to Layer 3, the depth could increase
by anywhere from another .0035" to .0055"ish.
Our plating specification is IPC6012A Class 3. Our intention would be to
drop that blind via in a very large pad, much larger than normal for a
blind via; then paste it so it is closed up when we go to probe. That
will keep the probe from directly piercing the sidewall plating or the
hole knee. Which leaves, I think, the question of how well the plated
copper is adhered to the copper foil capture pad - we will be hitting it
with a LOT of force - will that mechanical stress cause a de-bonding or
weaken that bond ? What if the board needs to be retested and retested
if there is a fault and we have to do repetitive debug?
So, anyone with experience probing to microvias, your knowledge would
help us a lot.
Thank you,
Valerie
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