My previous response was before I saw the pictures. I agree with Leo.
The evidence is in the black trail between one terminal and the other.
Something either shorted across the two terminals, or they arced across.
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Leo Higgins
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It is an academic debate. I have seen many references on the color of
silver oxide, but while Ag+ is most stable, Ag++ can also form. Then
there is the known photochromic behavior of Ag, particularly in
association with other cations. So, while I have never seen a reference
that Ag2O is colorless and clear like glass, I have seen references that
say is can be pale gray, dark gray, light brown, dark brown, and most
commonly, black, and in thin layers it is likely that these colored
species can be transparent.
Since well known 'tarnish' on our silverware is black, while we commonly
attribute the tarnish to be oxidized silver, the oxidizer is usually
sulfur, creating silver sulfide. But it is likely that this darkened
surface is due to contaminated air, and handling contamination, and the
black surface of silver may be a mix of oxides, sulfides, chlorides.....
The grain size of the silver and the oxidized silver can further
complicate the photochromic behavior and visible color. So, in the end,
if the black crud is some form of oxidized silver, it may be a mix of
Ag-compounds.
After viewing the photos on Steve's site, the black material on the
substrate between the soldered wires does make it look like an arc
carbonized the substrate surface.
Best regards,
Leo
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Hi Ramon - I have several references show that silver oxide is
transparent, silver chloride is yellow/brown , and silver sulfide as
black.
The reference you cited (where did that information come from?) shows
that the oxidation reaction is associated with a color change which I
don't believe is correct. Also, when "silver saver" paper is used,
silver finishes do not tarnish and I know that the "silver saver" paper
does not prevent oxygen from the surface of the silver plating. Ok
TechNetees (George W., Rudy, George M, Gerard O., John B.etc.) what do
your references information say?
Dave
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Read below:
Silver metal will oxidize spontaneously upon exposure to
free oxygen. This process is commonly referred to as "tarnishing". The
chemical reaction describing this proces is shown below.
4 Ag (s) + O2 (g) (r) 2 Ag2O (s)
Silver metal is a grayish white color, silver oxide is a black color.
This contrast in colors makes tarnished silver appear much different in
appearence than untarnished silver. This explains why so much physical
and chemical effort is spent in removing the tarnish from silver
objects.
Thermodynamic Constants of Compounds of Interest [1] Compound DHof
(kJ/mol) DGof (kJ/mol) So (J/mol.K)
Ag (s) 0 0 42.6
O2 (g) 0 0 205.2
Ag2O (s) -31.1 -11.2 121.3
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Hi Leo! I might be mistaken but I thought that silver oxide (Ag2O) was
transparent (e.g clear). The other species you mentioned my references
show as black or other various colors.
Dave Hillman
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Might be a coincidence that the 'crud'in the referenced, but not seen,
photos is black, but Ag2O, Ag2CO3, Ag2S, AgCl, and AgNO3 are all black.
Best regards,
Leo
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I don't see any photos.
Rich K / KEDS
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March 1, 2006
Folks, the three attached photographs show some problems an OEM of ours
is having. Specifically, he hand solders two MIL-W-16878 silver coated
stranded wires to a MIL SPEC connector that has solder eyelets plated
with 50 microinch of gold. Sn10 WRMAP flux cored solder is used with no
additional flux added. The OEM has had recent rash of failures in
fielded equipment. We do not know the cause yet. We are having the
black residue shown sent out for analysis but no results yet.
The solder joints do not appear to be acceptable to me. One can see
exposed gold on the gold-plated connector contact eyelets. Appears to
be non-wetting??? Also, appears to be excess solder since strands are
not always visible in the joint. The OEM tins the stranded wire with
Sn63 prior to soldering.
Do you folks have any ideas on what the problem could be? There is
detailed info on the photographs on the application of the product. The
connector provides power to a solenoid that actuates a valve.
The application is hermetic sealed by welding the connector to a metal
housing that contains the solenoid winding. The wires connecting to the
connector are the MIL-W-16878 silver coated stranded lead wires that
connect from the gold plated connector pins on one end to the MIL SPEC
magnet wires on the solenoid on the other end. The solenoid is
varnished (DIP process, no vacuum).
I am aware that silver plated wire in an SO2 environment can cause
corrosion, but we use a lot of silver coated wire in other product with
no known corrosion problems.
The connector housing has a small vent port into which air is applied to
do a pressure seal test. After the pressure test is completed, the vent
hole plug is welded closed. We are checking to see if the air could
have had moisture in it.
Dielectric strength, insulation resistance and functional testing is
done on the solenoid after assembly is completed and all tests passed.
However, failures occur in the field.
Since the flux used in the SN10 flux-cored solder is RMA, one would
normally not expect the black residue to be due to RMA flux but I am not
sure. We will probably know for certain after we get the test results
on the black crud.
Any insight you may have into into this problem would be appreciated.
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