Amen, brother :)


David



>From: Phil Nutting <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: TechNet E-Mail Forum <[log in to unmask]>,              Phil Nutting
><[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [TN] NTC  RE: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally
>friendly
>Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 11:58:57 -0500
>
>And they take it from us to give to countries that will never pay it back.
>What about our own people who are homeless, have no health insurance, or
>can't get a job because we sent their skill set offshore to a country where
>labor is cheaper.
>
>Oops (falling down), just tripped off my soap box.
>
>Phil
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Cheryl Johnson
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 11:16 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly
>
>Just want to point out that "gov" has no money - only what they take from
>us...
>
>Sincerely,
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>Manager
>ExcelStor US Office, Engineering Services
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Joyce Koo
>Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:00 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly
>
>
>Rudy,
>on the "positive" side, I did hear about someone mentioned leadfree creat
>jobs... otherwise, many of the engineer, consultant, new grads will be out
>of job...They mostly paid by "gov"...I also heard someone said :when you
>don't have job, you creat job...you have to justify your existance...(sad
>sad... ).
>                         jk
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of R Sedlak
>Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:22 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly
>
>
>John:  It has been discussed at length, and acknowleged, on this forum
>previously that Lead-Free is environmentally negative... you seem to think
>that the politician who put this in place actually give a s**t about the
>environment!   This is a political move, that is all.
>
>Get used to it... it is part of the world going to hell.. guided by
>politicians..
>And get this clear in your mind, I am talking not about any war... but
>about
>lead-free, RoHS and Weee!  Do we understand?  :-)
>
>Rudy Sedlak
>
>John Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I may be mistaken but I have never
>seen a press release or announcement
>for the EPA report on Solders in Electronics: A Life-Cycle Assessment
>[PDF]
>
>(3.53 MB, 472 pages)
>
>
>
>This 472 page weighty tome was apparently published in August 2005.
>
>
>
>I checked with a couple of industry peers and they never saw it either.
>
>
>
>Interestingly, it appears that SAC alloy has a higher impact than tin
>lead in a number of areas such as:
>
>
>
>Non renewable resource use
>
>Energy use
>
>Global warming
>
>Ozone depletion
>
>Water Quality
>
>
>
>I understand why this report might not be widely heralded by those with
>a commercial interest in lead free replacements, but as a US tax payer I
>for one would like the results of such an analysis to be widely read and
>available should the decision ever have to be made for instance, for
>reasons of reliability, to reverse the decision to remove lead from
>solders in Europe.
>
>
>
>For anyone thinking that I am "knocking" lead free - you are right -
>there continues to be no reason to support it given that WEEE laws in
>Europe mean that electronics never end up in a landfill anyway so
>leaching arguments and measurement methods are somewhat academic.
>
>
>
>I do however have a passionate concern for the environment. It makes me
>mad when I see that the "environmentally friendly" replacement for
>eutectic leaded solder is actually having a much greater impact on non
>renewable resources. Check out tables ES-4 and ES-5.
>
>
>
> >From the report:
>
>
>
>2The difference between SAC and SnPb is 453 kg of NRR per 1,000 cc of
>solder applied. If this were all
>
>automotive gasoline, this difference is equivalent to 162 gallons of
>gasoline. Assuming a driver consumes 20
>
>gallons per week, this is also equivalent to approximately 8 weeks of
>driving.
>
>
>
>Anyway for environmentalists and engineers everywhere here is the link:
>
>
>
>http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/dfe/pubs/solder/lca/index.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>
>
>John Burke
>
>
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