And they take it from us to give to countries that will never pay it back. What about our own people who are homeless, have no health insurance, or can't get a job because we sent their skill set offshore to a country where labor is cheaper.
Oops (falling down), just tripped off my soap box.
Phil
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Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly
Just want to point out that "gov" has no money - only what they take from
us...
Sincerely,
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Joyce Koo
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 7:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly
Rudy,
on the "positive" side, I did hear about someone mentioned leadfree creat
jobs... otherwise, many of the engineer, consultant, new grads will be out
of job...They mostly paid by "gov"...I also heard someone said :when you
don't have job, you creat job...you have to justify your existance...(sad
sad... ).
jk
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of R Sedlak
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] So much for lead free being environmentally friendly
John: It has been discussed at length, and acknowleged, on this forum
previously that Lead-Free is environmentally negative... you seem to think
that the politician who put this in place actually give a s**t about the
environment! This is a political move, that is all.
Get used to it... it is part of the world going to hell.. guided by
politicians..
And get this clear in your mind, I am talking not about any war... but about
lead-free, RoHS and Weee! Do we understand? :-)
Rudy Sedlak
John Burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I may be mistaken but I have never
seen a press release or announcement
for the EPA report on Solders in Electronics: A Life-Cycle Assessment
[PDF]
(3.53 MB, 472 pages)
This 472 page weighty tome was apparently published in August 2005.
I checked with a couple of industry peers and they never saw it either.
Interestingly, it appears that SAC alloy has a higher impact than tin
lead in a number of areas such as:
Non renewable resource use
Energy use
Global warming
Ozone depletion
Water Quality
I understand why this report might not be widely heralded by those with
a commercial interest in lead free replacements, but as a US tax payer I
for one would like the results of such an analysis to be widely read and
available should the decision ever have to be made for instance, for
reasons of reliability, to reverse the decision to remove lead from
solders in Europe.
For anyone thinking that I am "knocking" lead free - you are right -
there continues to be no reason to support it given that WEEE laws in
Europe mean that electronics never end up in a landfill anyway so
leaching arguments and measurement methods are somewhat academic.
I do however have a passionate concern for the environment. It makes me
mad when I see that the "environmentally friendly" replacement for
eutectic leaded solder is actually having a much greater impact on non
renewable resources. Check out tables ES-4 and ES-5.
>From the report:
2The difference between SAC and SnPb is 453 kg of NRR per 1,000 cc of
solder applied. If this were all
automotive gasoline, this difference is equivalent to 162 gallons of
gasoline. Assuming a driver consumes 20
gallons per week, this is also equivalent to approximately 8 weeks of
driving.
Anyway for environmentalists and engineers everywhere here is the link:
http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/dfe/pubs/solder/lca/index.htm
Kind regards,
John Burke
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