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Dewey: Is that your attempt at dark humor?

                                                        Mike B. 

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey
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Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 1:14 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] chromates on copper surface (Cr6), Where?

I thought it would be more raven in the presence of a crow mate.
Dewey  

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Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 2:06 PM
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Subject: Re: [TN] chromates on copper surface (Cr6), Where?

Rudy: It goes to a brilliant violet color in the presence of chromate. 

                                        Mike B.
                                        Fluke Corp.

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of R Sedlak
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 11:24 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] chromates on copper surface (Cr6), Where?

Mike Barmuta reported the name... Use it this way... put a drop of
dilute Hydrochloric acid on part to be tested.... wait a couple of
minutes, put a drop of indicator (1% in deionized water)... I cannot
recall color change, but if chromate present, color changes... run a
known to be sure.

If you cross section a panel, and run this test, it does not necessarily
mean the panel has no chromate, it can mean that the chromate is not
accessible to the Hydrochloric acid...only a test on bare foil is
conclusive.

Rudy Sedlak
RD Chemical Company

"Victor G. Hernandez" <[log in to unmask]> wrote: I would be
interested in the name of the Cr 6 indicator.

Victor

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of R Sedlak
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:23 PM
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Subject: [TN] chromates on copper surface (Cr6), Where?

All:

I suspect much confusion in this discussion is coming from the fact that
we are not identifying which side of the foil we are talking about.

I believe that, at least at one time,  both sides had  chromate  (Cr +6)
conversion coatings...  it is quite true that  the top side, away from
the  laminate,  gets  washed clean of  any/all  chromates, and thus is
compliant.

However, I suspect strongly that the side of the foil that is attached
to the laminate has a high loading of chromate, and it is not removed by
any processing the panel goes through.   We could get into discussion of
whether this chromate ever gets into the environment, but frankly,
sadly, it would not matter, this is a legal/political issue, and the
real world has no bearing on the issue.

Also, there is a colorimetric indicator, which is highly sensitive,
which will indicate presence of Cr +6 (ONLY!).   I can find the name, if
anyone is interested.

Rudy Sedlak
RD Chemical Company


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