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"Stadem, Richard D." <[log in to unmask]>
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Don't put him on the spot. That is not a good thing to do to an auditor.
Instead, give him a conspiratorial wink and acknowledge his observation
with a remark such as "Hey, you're a pretty sharp guy to pick up on
that!"

Then ask him where he learned about the elementary constituants of a
thermally active physical system, where kBT is temperature expressed in
terms of Boltzmann's constant, in Kelvin. And did he know that
thermodynamic equilibrium is defined by a relation between the amount of
heat incident on the system during an infinitesimal quasistatic
transformation, and what is the variation of its time-to-entropy during
the transformation?

If he nods wisely, ask him what are his feelings about the effects of
the gas expansion factor when calculating the Zeroth dynamic during
measurements of the thermal mass to entropy betweem multiple static
objects collectively within a vacuum using Boltzmann's theory of
distribution.

At this point, while he stands there and stutters with his eyes glazed
over, let him know that the reasons you used only temperatures Celcius,
is because after much research looking at the Carnot heat engine
equivalency of a standard PWB using a dissipation factor of 10 while
powered up with 100kiv/cm squared, it was apparent that with the heat
conduction factor being what it is at 22 gigahertz and its effect on the
overall conductance, the only apparent measurements that would work
would be in the Reaumur, Rankine, Delisle, and Newton units for the
needed accuracy inherent to the process, because the conversion factors
from these to the terakelvin range are beyond the scope of the
computational system you are using to meet the contract.

And the dweebs in IS cannot provide any more memory capability to your
desktop PC.

The key here is to answer their questions precisely.

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Graham Naisbitt
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 12:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] System International Units versus Imperial English
units??

Now if you really want to put this guy on the spot, tell him that,
according to all International Standards, temperatures must be measured
in Degrees Kelvin and could you borrow his thermometer.

Don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger......

Graham Naisbitt


On 11/1/06 16:31, "Douglas O. Pauls" <[log in to unmask]>
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> What you might also do is to put down the number in every possible 
> unit you can think of, C, F, K, hell make up a few units.  Take it to 
> an absurd level to make your point.
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> Doug Pauls
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>              01/11/2006 09:39          Re: [TN] System International
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> Oh boy, that is funny.
> So why am I crying?
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> Ahne.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rick Thompson
> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 12:03
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [TN] System International Units versus Imperial English
units??
>
> We have a customer who is questioning how we audit soldering iron 
> temperatures per J-STD-001D.  All of our monitoring is done in Celsius

> which is the main unit of measure in the standard. Imperial English 
> (Fahrenheit) is only used as a reference shown in parentheses.  The 
> auditor is insisting that we need to measure in both units, i.e. we 
> have a temperature with a
> +/-
> 15C tolerance and we would also need to measure it in degrees F at +/-
27F.
>
> My question is has anyone come up against this type of issue and how 
> did you handle it?  We've cited the section of the standard where it 
> explicitly indicates that the IE units are equivalent and shown for 
> reference only but this response was deemed as 'inadequate'.  I'd 
> typically put this in the category of Friday afternoon humor except we

> have a corrective action to respond to due to this.
>
> Thanks for any comments or feedback.
>
>
> Rick Thompson
> Sr. SMT Process Engineer
> CTS Electronics Manufacturing Solutions
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> +1 (805) 532-2800   x-193
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