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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Eric CHRISTISON
Sent: den 2 december 2005 12:11
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Subject: Re: [TN] SV: [TN] Moore's law and PWBs
Ingemar,
My computer couldn't find eeuk.com.
Is the address correct?
Regards,
Eric Christison
Mechanical Engineer
Home, Personal, Communication Sector - Imaging Division
STMicroelectronics
33 Pinkhill
Edinburgh
EH12 7BF
Tel: +44 (0)131 336 6165
Fax: +44 (0)131 336 6001
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord
> Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:43 AM
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> Subject: [TN] SV: [TN] Moore's law and PWBs
>
>
> Forgot to tell that vertical communication between stacked
> wafers is now a
> reality:
>
> http://www.eetuk.com/tech/news/dev/OEG20030207S0034
>
> Inge
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: Ingemar Hernefjord [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Skickat: den 2 december 2005 09:03
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> Ämne: SV: [TN] Moore's law and PWBs
>
> Right Joe,
> I participated myself in a project some years ago, the
> development of something that reminds of a Neumann computer,
> but better. The genious person that ran the project got
> support from our financial elite and it was a thrilling time.
> He hired programmers from India and signed a contract with a
> semi company and a new language was created, the H language,
> which was said to be superiour to anything else. But he made
> a mistake, when it came to packaging and cooling and housing
> of the supercomputer, he underestimated both time and cost. I
> told him we had to abandon the
> traditional ways of thinking and do something quite new to
> take care of the enormous network of I/Os and power
> dissipation, but he did not listen. He began to run out of
> time and money and wanted a cheap solution. I proposed
> inventing vertical connections through the wafers, so they
> could speak vertically also, instead of making all
> connections to the perifery with its long distances. I
> proposed cooling the wafers with a salt solution, and that we
> had to fill the gap between the wafers and the coolers with
> Helium etc. The stack of several 12 inch wafers developed
> kilowatts when working at maximum. But he did not want to
> spend a lot of money on 'simple mechanical things' and the
> result was that he ran out of the
> deadline the investors had set to see result. The housing of
> the monster I think got only some percentage of the total.
> The money flow was stopped and the whole project frozen for
> the future. And maybe this was a good thing. If (I say if,
> because I don't know)this project had been a success, it had
> outnumbered Cray and other supercomputer manufacturers. Any
> military aircraft could have their own 'Cray', not bigger
> than a PC tower on your desk! I spoke with the inventor and
> got permission to send a pic of part of the superwafer to
> you. He said, doesn't matter, noone will understand a thing!
> And that's true, instead of the familiar processor pattern
> with its zillions of parallel lines and 90 degree turns, and
> transistor cells, this seems like a meaningless mess without
> structure. Likewise, I don't understand anything either, I
> was not involved in those secrets, and my
> competence was unsufficient anyhow, at that time being 'just
> a packaging' expert. My thick map filled with hundreds of
> pages with calculations and proposals...I thought it could be
> a sweet memory, but finally I destructed everything. And so
> did most of the others...I have one wafer left.
>
> Inge
>
> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
> Från: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] För Joe Fjelstad
> Skickat: den 2 december 2005 00:16
> Till: [log in to unmask]
> Ämne: Re: [TN] Moore's law and PWBs
>
> Along that line there is interesting article in Electronic
> Business this month titled "The Future That Never
> Was"...Seven products that could have changed the industry
> but didn't by Geoffrey James Somethings actually do happen
> but have morphed by time and evolution.
>
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