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November 19, 2005

Creating a stand-alone QMS document is fine as long as you are willing to supply it to your customers without restrictions attached.  As a military customer, we own all of the design assembly drawings (for cases where a company develops the design under direct funding from us).  We solicit competitive bids.  Therefore, company A may have originally created the assembly drawings that reference the QMS document.  However, company B may be low bidder and as such, we must provide company B with all company A assembly drawings and any other document referenced thereon.  

My personal preference is to have the assembly drawings stand-alone whenever possible.  In today's computer world, this is easy to do by using standard notes embedded on drawings electronically via CAD, etc.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Phil Nutting<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]> 
  Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 10:34 AM
  Subject: Re: [TN] Assembly Drawing Notes?


  To make drawings less cluttered we have resorted to calling out a QMS
  (Quality Management System - internal ISO-9001 document) with all the
  "default" board attributes with any exceptions noted on the prints.
  This allows us to change one document and affect all product and keep
  the notes from becoming overwhelming.

  Phil

  -----Original Message-----
  From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tempea, Ioan
  Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:55 AM
  To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  Subject: Re: [TN] Assembly Drawing Notes?

  Mike,

  I would also mark:
  *       any reference to internal standards
  *       instructions clarifying any funky ECO, that adds parts
  non-existent in the artwork, that are assembled in weird positions. If
  this is not the case, I would still mark a history of the revisions and
  the ECO numbers
  *       any reference to instructions on components that have special
  forming
  *       who provides the serial number structure (customer or CEM) and
  reference to the documentation on how to create the labels

  Besides that, I will revise our instruction set, to include some of
  Richard's notes.

  Regards,
  Ioan

  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: TechNet [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stadem, Richard
  > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 9:25 AM
  > To:   [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  > Subject:      Re: [TN] Assembly Drawing Notes?
  > 
  > Hi, Mike.
  > Here are some other standard notations, if they apply.
  > All finished dimensional limits, such as maximum component height, to
  > avoid any interference fit issues. Maximum lead protrusion for any
  > through-hole parts. Conformal coating type, method of application,
  > hardness, and keep-out areas. Which components are to be epoxy staked,
  > and method (spec number). If flipchips are present, the requirement
  for
  > underfill and globtop should be in the notes. Torque settings for
  screws
  > and other hardware are often overlooked. Some people put programmed
  part
  > notations on the drawing, so the documentation person does not
  overlook
  > that step on the traveler or routing (nothing worse than having
  several
  > hundred assemblies built up with Eproms not yet programmed). Design
  0,0
  > point and XY coordinates of tooling holes is standard on all assembly
  > drawings. Thermal heatsinks should be noted on components that require
  > them, and the thermal grease, sil-pad, etc. noted.
  > Pin 1 notations (connectors) should be noted, and polarity should
  always
  > be easily seen. The location for marking the serial number, revision,
  > and the method is standard boilerplate. Handling to an ESD spec and to
  > an MSD spec and the appropriate Mil-handbook is always noted, and the
  > ESD symbol is on every assembly drawing with ESD parts.
  > And of course, the revision history and ECN listing must be on every
  > drawing. Statements of proprietary, classified information, copyright,
  > and ITAR warnings should be present if they apply. Dimensions are to
  be
  > noted as to millimeters or inches. Method of creation is always a good
  > idea (Mentor Graphics EN2004, for example).
  > I'm sure I've missed something here, but that is all I can think of.
  Any
  > others out there?
  > 
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michael McMonagle
  > Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2005 7:32 AM
  > To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
  > Subject: [TN] Assembly Drawing Notes?
  > 
  > We are updating some PCBA assembly drawings, and looking for a little
  > guidance on notes to include on the drawings. Current standard notes
  > include:
  > 
  >  
  > 
  > -          Solder alloy required
  > 
  > -          Assembly processes to be in accordance with latest rev
  > ANSI/J-STD-001 Class XX
  > 
  > -          Workmanship to be in accordance with latest rev IPC-A-610
  > Class
  > XX
  > 
  >  
  > 
  > Other than additional notes for idiosyncrasies specific to a given
  > assembly, are there any other 'boilerplate' notes we should
  incorporate?
  > 
  >  
  > 
  > Mike McMonagle
  > 
  > Quality Engineer
  > 
  > OYO Geospace
  > 
  > 7007 Pinemont Drive
  > 
  > Houston, TX 77040
  > 
  > 713-986-8650
  > 
  >  
  > 
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