You have to look at it like this Steve..... You would get to take more
breaks! ;-)
Joe J.
However I do agree with you ....
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Steve Smith
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 3:38 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" (or perhaps a union graphic/logo on
pcb's instead)
As a designer who has work in companies with unions, I have only one
thing to say:
ARE YOU CRAZY!!!!!!!
Of course they would work to protect your job, or as long as your dues
puts money in their pockets, but the obstructions they would put in the
way of designing a project would all but stop further development of new
products.
My regards,
Steve Smith, C.I.D.
Product Engineer
Staco Energy Products Co.
Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
& www.stacopower.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of
> Howell Electronic Services
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:31 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" (or perhaps a union
> graphic/logo on
> pcb's instead)
>
>
> Not many managers are going to like this but...
>
> If there was a Union for designers, I would join because:
> a. they would work to protect my job here in the usa (call me
> xenophobic if you want)
> b. ... your ideas on how a union would help Designers Council members
> (not the Designers Counsel itself) go here ...
>
> This Union would have a logo/graphic "bug" much like the
> printers union,
> that indicated the design was done by a union member, which could be
> inconspicuously placed on any board.
>
> Regards-
> Michael Howell
> *Howell Electronic Services
> <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Emhowell777> *
> 4474 Hillcrest Road, Medford, OR 97504
> 541-734-2666 tel / 541-601-0887 cell
>
>
> George Patrick wrote:
>
> >Sorry, Cherie, but if you can't mark a board MADE IN USA unless every
> >part is MADE IN USA (an absolute impossibility), is seems
> reasonable to
> >any government weenie that it can't be marked DESIGNED IN USA unless
> >everything used in the design was DESIGNED IN USA.
> Remember, everything
> >not specifically permitted is prohibited when you're dealing with the
> >government...
> >
> >And you'll have the Department of Redundancy Department after you for
> >arguing about it, too <:^)
> >
> >--=20
> >George Patrick
> >Tektronix, Inc.
> >Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services
> >P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
> >Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
> >Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
> >http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
> >
> >It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >Litson, Cherie
> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:36
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
> >
> >
> >Excuse me???? (I can't let this one slip by.) Software does not
> >"design" a board. It's just a tool that is used to do the
> work. Even if
> >you auto route, the "Designer" has to set up all the rules
> to make that
> >work.
> >
> >Cherie
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> >George Patrick
> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:38 AM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
> >
> >Depends on which software package you use, Gary. Can't have
> DESIGNED IN
> >USA on a board if you are using software programmed off shore :)
> >
> >--
> >George Patrick
> >Tektronix, Inc.
> >Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services P.O. Box 500, M/S
> >39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
> >Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
> >http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
> >
> >It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Gary
> >M. Koven
> >Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 06:29
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: [DC] "Designed in USA"
> >
> >
> >Most of us in the USA who've been designing boards for several years
> >might remember when we could put "MADE IN USA" on our boards
> and we did
> >so with pride.
> >
> >
> >
> >Then in 1997 the Federal Trade Commission issued their "ENFORCEMENT
> >POLICY STATEMENT ON U.S. ORIGIN CLAIMS (Federal Trade Commission,
> >December 1997)".
> >You can Google it and read all the legalese.
> >
> >
> >
> >Since then, except for the exceedingly rare situation
> whereby a company
> >fabricates all its glass and assembles all its components
> totally in the
> >USA, we can't, and don't, put "MADE IN USA" on our boards any more.
> >
> >
> >
> >But how about "DESIGNED IN USA"? Is anybody in this forum putting
> >"DESIGNED IN USA" on their boards? That would seem to be permissible
> >within the legalese of the FTC document under Section B,
> "Claims about
> >Specific Processes or Parts".
> >
> >
> >
> >Or have our oligarchs, with their offshoring of PCB assembly, already
> >rendered "DESIGNED IN USA" also a dead horse?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
> >----------------------------
> >
> >Gary M. Koven, C.I.D.
> >
> >Dynazign, Inc.
> >
> >Charlotte, NC, USA
> >
> >Veteran of the Marsh School
> >
> >
> >
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