I think everyone on this thread is still
re-arranging the chairs on the deck of the Titanic....
Regards
TDK
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From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rian
Venter
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:18 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
Hi to all.
I need to contact Gary Ferrari in person.
Greetings from a sunny and warm South Africa.
Rian Venter C.I.D, CIT, CIS,
Director: Training
NKOKA (.co.za)
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-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Litson,
Cherie
Sent: 11 November 2005 12:18 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
Yeah, what Roger says! ;-) Besides, I like the logo idea. A "union"
might be too strong of a theme to use. Maybe a "council" - oh yeah, we
have that already. "Designed by CID" That would work, wouldn't it?
Cherie
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From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Roger Stoops
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
Thought only the bulk of component origin and final assembly point needs
to be in the US for something to be labelled Made in USA. Ask Toyota,
Honda, Behr, etc.
My company has been putting Designed in USA on boards for a while, since
we have some eng'g facilities outside USA, and it helps distinguish
where a design comes from (like our people don't already know...).
Besides, sounds like tougue in cheek from George!
Regards,
Roger
-----Original Message-----
From: George Patrick [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: "Designed in USA"
Sorry, Cherie, but if you can't mark a board MADE IN USA unless every
part is MADE IN USA (an absolute impossibility), is seems reasonable to
any government weenie that it can't be marked DESIGNED IN USA unless
everything used in the design was DESIGNED IN USA. Remember, everything
not specifically permitted is prohibited when you're dealing with the
government...
And you'll have the Department of Redundancy Department after you for
arguing about it, too <:^)
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services P.O. Box 500, M/S
39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Litson, Cherie
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:36
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
Excuse me???? (I can't let this one slip by.) Software does not
"design" a board. It's just a tool that is used to do the work. Even if
you auto route, the "Designer" has to set up all the rules to make that
work.
Cherie
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From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
George Patrick
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:38 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
Depends on which software package you use, Gary. Can't have DESIGNED IN
USA on a board if you are using software programmed off shore :)
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services P.O. Box 500, M/S
39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gary
M. Koven
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 06:29
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [DC] "Designed in USA"
Most of us in the USA who've been designing boards for several years
might remember when we could put "MADE IN USA" on our boards and we did
so with pride.
Then in 1997 the Federal Trade Commission issued their "ENFORCEMENT
POLICY STATEMENT ON U.S. ORIGIN CLAIMS (Federal Trade Commission,
December 1997)".
You can Google it and read all the legalese.
Since then, except for the exceedingly rare situation whereby a company
fabricates all its glass and assembles all its components totally in the
USA, we can't, and don't, put "MADE IN USA" on our boards any more.
But how about "DESIGNED IN USA"? Is anybody in this forum putting
"DESIGNED IN USA" on their boards? That would seem to be permissible
within the legalese of the FTC document under Section B, "Claims about
Specific Processes or Parts".
Or have our oligarchs, with their offshoring of PCB assembly, already
rendered "DESIGNED IN USA" also a dead horse?
Best Regards,
----------------------------
Gary M. Koven, C.I.D.
Dynazign, Inc.
Charlotte, NC, USA
Veteran of the Marsh School
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