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The black smoke is needed for the board to work properly.  Once it leaks
out, it won't work any more.

TGIF

Dave Roach

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of John Burke
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 4:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] My assembly is putting out black smoke - HELP

Hmmmmmmmmmmm,

and you can tell whether that is fab or assembly related!!

Nice one Holmes,

Happy Friday all,

John

Michael McMaster wrote:

I don't see the value in doing this.  I can almost always tell whether the
e-mail is Fab or Assy related from the Subject line...

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dehoyos, Ramon
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:16 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Fabricators and information passage

        Fellows it has been suggested twice. Lets come to an agreement
of what to add to the subject line to make it easier for the times when
we are too busy to check all the e-mails, i.e.  "Assy" for assembly
questions, "Fab", "Design", and so on. It will even help us to put the
right type of thinking cap for the specific question. It will attract
more diversity and cross train the willing. I used to fabricate ICs in
semiconductors labs, not boards. The languages are different but the
technology is similar. So I am learning the new language when someone
ask a question in that subject of board fabrication. So what do you say?
Lets come up with a consensus. The best way is to name a few techneters,
committee, that can exchange ideas and create  acronyms for different
subject lines and we will all be benefited.
        Ramon


-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 7:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Fabricators and information passage

Good comments Rudy,
It seems the 'personality' of TechNet has changed somewhat over the
years that I have been subscribed to it, and as the industry has changed
and people have come and gone from the list server you find it go from
pleasant to hostile, helpful to very quiet... and many different moods
come over it...I don't think you can let that bother you. There is
something to having a common goal of excellence in design, manufacturing
and assembly... it binds the group together and broadens the whole
experience base of the entire group.

As you pass through life, you will touch many people at various stages
in their careers and their personal and professional development... If
you can help someone along the way, there's no telling how that little
bit of good-will might bounce from person to person.. I liked that movie
with Kevin Spacey where the kid in his class developed the
'Pay-it-forward'
philosophy... Pick 3 people that you can do something to help them out
and ask them not to do anything to pay you back, but for them to go find
3 more people and help them instead and require the same of them to Pay
it forward to 3 more, and so on... It's a great concept and if everyone
did that it could change the world.

I like TechNet... it's a great place to find help and give it...

My 2 cents... I'd like to see it continue.

I think the Fabricators can participate when they feel like it... we all
learn from them... and they learn from us too. If their info is good,
Designers want to come back and learn more... and use their services...
In fact I see more and more fabricators sending out speakers to IPC DC
events to talk with designers on a personal level and help them improve
their designs to improve the yields and simply the manufacturing
processes for the fabricators and assemblers.

We all win when people get the information they need to do their jobs
better. It's all good. Your participation makes it better!

Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510 Datron World
Communications, Inc.
_______________________________________
San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Communications Officer,
Web Manager http://dcchapters.ipc.org/SanDiego/
http://pcbwizards.com

-----Original Message-----
From: R Sedlak [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 3:20 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [TN] Fabricators and information passage

Valerie St. Cyr put it very well... but there may be yet another factor,
which could almost be described as the "800 pound gorilla in the corner"
that no one wants to mention....

The fabricators, perhaps more than anyone in the world, are in a fight
to the death for survival, and not only does this mean they do not have
time to visit such things as technet, they may not have a whole lot of
interest in helping others (read "competitors") to do things which they
have learned to do, perhaps by as series of expensive errors.....

In fact, the amount of information passed around on Technet is slightly
astonishing, that it is done so easily, and freely.... I find it telling
that the participation on Technet does not reflect the national
distribution of PCB production... that is to say, the majority of the
participants on Technet come from cultures that are more open, and
sharing...

Rudy Sedlak
RD Chemical Company



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