Hi Steve,
I can see your point, but I have a slightly different perspective on your
thoughts.
I also am very new to this forum and yes I don't get a lot of feedback on my
responses either. However, I don't send a response with the need for others
to make comments on it. While it is nice, I don't need affirmation to feel
like I have contributed. Like you, I try to think through the issue being
presented and if I feel that I have a good explanation, then I will
contribute. If I don't, I keep my mouth shut, especially on things for
which I have no experience. I don't look at the more seasoned professionals
as being in a good ole boys group. Perhaps they don't respond because they
don't know you. Many of the more tenured (to use your term) such as Werner,
Dewey and Richard Stadem are walking textbooks. I doubt that there is much
brought forth in this forum that these gentleman have not encountered at
some point in their careers. I am have learned alot from them. But still, I
like to throw out my ideas at times because just maybe, I will present a
fresh idea or hit on something that was missed that helps someone. I would
ask that you reconsider sitting on the sidelines. Don't let being a "newbie"
keep you from participating. This forum was designed to allow all of us to
help one another, you bring to the table as much as I or anyone else and
should not be stingy with your thoughts. As my mom used to say, you never
know who you are helping. That goes for other sideliners as well. My 2
cents. Have a great weekend!
Joe Russeau
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hodge" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] <List>Re: [TN] New Old Topic
> Let"s face it Valerie; fabricators are at or near the bottom of the food
> chain. I have bitten the proverbial lip on this subject as long as I can.
I
> emailed several people privately, before I signed up, about fabrication
> related questions.
> I sent at least 20 with answers which I believed to be accurate. I
received
> one response back. I continued to read the technet forums and, when I saw
> something asked which I thought I could answer, I would e-mail the
> individual with an answer. I thought if I signed up for Technet I would at
> least get responses and opinions about my answers. Well, that was my
first
> mistake. I should have kept on the sidelines and not have offered any
input
> in a general forum. I learned one valuable lesson: A newbie should never
> offer an opinion differing from the tenured professionals on any forum.
The
> good ole boys have all the right answers anyway.
>
> At 02:15 PM 10/06/2005, you wrote:
> >No one said or even suggested that fabricators wanted to segregate
> >themselves from the "rest of the industry" (it wasn't a suggestion that
> >came from a fabricator - someone is getting ahead of this...)
> >
> >I am not aware of any request for information wrt a PCB issue that was
not
> >answered, even if the answer was, unfortunately " we don't know enough";
> >but there have always been replies
> >
> >Most fabricators don't need TechNet to get answers to PCB fab questions,
> >they have their personal networks; when they do need an answer from a
> >variety of sources or an answer that impacts on another discipline, and
if
> >they do know about TechNet, they use it ...
> >
> >Most fabricators, e.g. the individuals who monitor the processes or
> >develop the processes or meet with the customers to develop solutions for
> >their circuit boards, don't have the time or don't have the constant
> >access to a computer to read all these emails all day and spend time
> >writing essays
> >
> >Most fabricators are now no longer in North America and there are
precious
> >few in Europe
> >
> >And last, hopefully without sounding too off-putting, most of the
problems
> >most of the fabricators are working on can't be handled in this type of
> >forum; it doesn't have the depth to deal with the content that
fabricators
> >are wrestling with; they also have to be very careful about naming
> >products like laminates or chemistries, by the maker - that would not be
> >professional since this isn't a very regulated medium and gossip can
carry
> >as far and wide as data; so you can't exactly say "is anyone using XXXX
> >and having YYYY issues with it? what do you do??"
> >
> >Valerie
> >(also nervous about having my neck this far out .... but if Fabricators
> >would expand on this topic, then others would not have to speculate for
> >them...)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Blomberg, Rainer (FL51)" <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent by: TechNet <[log in to unmask]>
> >10/06/2005 12:21 PM
> >Please respond to TechNet E-Mail Forum; Please respond to "Blomberg,
> >Rainer (FL51)"
> >
> >
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > cc:
> > Subject: Re: [TN] New Old Topic
> >
> >
> >Good question Franklin.
> >It would be the same answer as how would they find the new, separate
forum
> >in the first place.
> >Change the forum name to PCBTECHNET?
> >Interesting tabulation. What makes fabricators want to segregate
> >themselves
> >from the rest of the using industry?
> >
> > > Rainer G. Blomberg
> > > Honeywell -Space Systems Clearwater
> > > Staff Production Engineer
> >(727) 539-5534
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Franklin Asbell
> >Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 12:11 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: [TN] New Old Topic
> >
> >The reason for suggesting a new forum was to enhance interaction between
> >fabricators. The goal or intent is not to "separate" anything but to
> >enhance
> >cooperation and sharing of information between board makers.
> >
> > From my count, nearly all YES type votes were from the fabricators as
well
> >as assemblers and end users.
> >
> >There was only 1 NO type vote from a fabricator that I counted.
> >
> > From an objective view I have not see any justification or argument for
> >not
> >having a separate fabricators forum.
> >
> >So going back to the original suggestion, especially from those of you
> >that
> >find it a bad idea not to have another forum, how can we, how can you,
> >increase the level of fabricators subscribing to TechNet.
> >
> >Franklin
> >
> >(ducking again to avoid chairs and books)
> >
> >
> >
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