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Amen, and Amen!

Roger

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ingemar Hernefjord
(KC/EMW)
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 6:52 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] New IPC email forum

Would like to add this: what's the angry young mens definition of the
word 'fabricator'. Me stupid.
Myself, I'm representing a pretty big company with own printed circuit
manufacturing as well as large scale assembly, R&D, CADing, machining
own metal structures, chemistry labs, worldwide equipment installation,
and much more. TN seems to have many such members: Lockheed, IBM, MOTA,
NASA, just to mention a few. 
However, we use to have a problem, namely to cooperate within our own
huge organisations, you must be well familiar with that! Sometimes I
feel like my own company is not one but a conglomerate of many small
units that compete (little exaggerated, but a feeling many have). So,
again, what is your definition of the mystic 'fabricator' that might be
your saviour? 

I have made attempts to spread TN within the house, but, listen: most
people are alreay 100 engaged in such a  lot of webbing, and
administration, and meetings, and courses, and seminars, and travels,
and reporting, and reading and writing and hardworking, that they do
simply not bear more! The kind answers I use to get is: very
interesting, when you get something useful on TN, please tell us. Be our
contact. But we don't have time ourselves. So, I'm dropping this and
that on their desk, and pick up what can be of interest for TN.

Still, the printed circuit is the foot on which the giant stands. And
will so be. Without all your PWB manufacturing skill, the giant would
not be able to walk. Amen.

Ingemar Hernefjord
Ericsson Microwave Systems
Division of Global Ericsson

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: den 6 oktober 2005 09:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] New IPC email forum


Has no one ever heard of concurrent engineering? If there were no
assemblers to give feedback to the fab guys and no fab guys to tell the
assemblers what they can or cannot do, then we would have no industry at
all. I'll go farther, the designers must be in the equation, AND the
development engineers, AND the purchasing managers. If we cannot all
talk with one voice or sing the same song, then we are wasting valuable
company funds. All these guys MUST talk with each other, all the time
and any schism is counter-productive. Even if we work in different
factories doing different jobs, our aim is to produce one single article
as economically as possible, while respecting the technical imperatives.
Splitting knowledge apart will not achieve this and, taking this to a
logical conclusion, we shall split the IPC into two or more separate
organisations, each believing they are holier than the others, with zero
dialogue.

Personally, I have been professionally working with printed circuitry
since 1955 (yes, 50 whole years!!!) and I have had deep experience in
all the aspects of the business from being a development engineer,
through designer and vendor of designing tools, director of a high-tech
PCB fab plant, assembler AND purchaser and I **KNOW** that you cannot
isolate any one aspect from the others. In fact, I'll go so far as to
say that most, possibly as much as 90%, of the problems encountered
within our industry are because of lack of communications between the
various factions who prefer to isolate themselves in an ivory tower and
hope the rest of the world bends round their ideas. So, in the name of
sanity and efficiency in our industry, do NOT split (rather, merge more
of the guys in the equation.

Brian

Franklin Asbell wrote:
> With a show of hands (yes, we can see you) how many out there would be

> interested in subscribing to an IPC email forum for pcb (rigid, flex, 
> rigid-flex, hi-rel, mil, etc) fabrication topics.
>
> Franklin
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