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AGREED & Bravo

The Triumvirate does already considerably lack communication between
Designers and Assemblers with Manufacturers.

If there is a chance to further dialogue, then please do so..

I do not know the origin of such a gap of communication between directly
linked, causes to effect, but for sure it cost the western industry
millions.. While, for instance, in other areas of the World (yes same
planet) such as in Japan, where Companies such as xMK (not to name it) do
about 30% of the Design of the PCB they produce.. and as everyone know,
they are able of technologies we don't even see within Western PCB
Manufacturers or only for a iota of the production. Why? Don't ask!

Economically speaking, I would NOT separate Assembly, Design and
Manufacture either because it is exactly one of several arguments
Westerners can promote in defending their Know-how and ease of
communication in order to solve production troubles fast and efficiently
rather than more difficult dialogue with far away companies... See the
point..?

Brian, as one of the last "Dinosaurs" (friendly meant) could you eventually
explain this gap in term of history and development of the industry?

Within my experience, on jobs I have been mandated for finding i.e. random
blackbox failures amounting up to 20% of its usage time - it was a typical
case of non-dialogue between Designers - Manufacturers - Assemblers .. So
in short, wish you to use any vehicle fitted with a blackbox that randomly
works 80% of the time or more..

I wonder, were a lack of communication or gap involved in NASA failures?
What about recent Airplane crashes?

"We are likely to be disconcerted by . . . hiatuses of thought" (Edmund
Wilson).

Very Best Regards
Rol@nd Jaquet
www.PCBspecialist.com
+41-22-880-0405
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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] New IPC email forum

Has no one ever heard of concurrent engineering? If there were no
assemblers to give feedback to the fab guys and no fab guys to tell the
assemblers what they can or cannot do, then we would have no industry at
all. I'll go farther, the designers must be in the equation, AND the
development engineers, AND the purchasing managers. If we cannot all
talk with one voice or sing the same song, then we are wasting valuable
company funds. All these guys MUST talk with each other, all the time
and any schism is counter-productive. Even if we work in different
factories doing different jobs, our aim is to produce one single article
as economically as possible, while respecting the technical imperatives.
Splitting knowledge apart will not achieve this and, taking this to a
logical conclusion, we shall split the IPC into two or more separate
organisations, each believing they are holier than the others, with zero
dialogue.

Personally, I have been professionally working with printed circuitry
since 1955 (yes, 50 whole years!!!) and I have had deep experience in
all the aspects of the business from being a development engineer,
through designer and vendor of designing tools, director of a high-tech
PCB fab plant, assembler AND purchaser and I **KNOW** that you cannot
isolate any one aspect from the others. In fact, I'll go so far as to
say that most, possibly as much as 90%, of the problems encountered
within our industry are because of lack of communications between the
various factions who prefer to isolate themselves in an ivory tower and
hope the rest of the world bends round their ideas. So, in the name of
sanity and efficiency in our industry, do NOT split (rather, merge more
of the guys in the equation.

Brian

Franklin Asbell wrote:
> With a show of hands (yes, we can see you) how many out there would be
> interested in subscribing to an IPC email forum for pcb (rigid, flex,
> rigid-flex, hi-rel, mil, etc) fabrication topics.
>
> Franklin
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