Thank you, i really learn alot from all the differant people skills it is
just that my e-mail just keeps locking up, at work and the IT managers is
blowing a gasket.

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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Whittaker, Dewey
(AZ75)
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 9:24 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] ESD Drag Chain Length


Yeah, but there will be an extra charge for that.
Dewey 

-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Colin McVean
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2005 12:37 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] ESD Drag Chain Length

Hear Hear!

But can you please ask Apple to specify that the battery will last more than
12 months in their I-pod?

Colin McVean M.inst.CT
Production Manager
Artetch Circuits Limited
Main: 01903 725365
DD:    01903 712926
www.artetch.co.uk
-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: 22 September 2005 08:19
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] ESD Drag Chain Length

This is an example of a severe malady that has hit our industry and the
general public of recent years: a lack of commonsense to the extent of
stupidity. Commonsense would dictate that the chain length should be
sufficient to ensure dissipation of any potential charge (which can be
verified with an instrument). Stupidity would dictate that the length must
be standardised, whether it is sufficient to dissipate the charge or not.

For Goodness's sake, when are we going to wake up to the fact that a surfeit
of standards is a very costly alternative to practical commonsense? If the
final product does the job for which it is designed for the length of time
for which it is intended, then it is good enough, whether or not it conforms
to a thousand standards, causing it to be thus grossly and expensively
over-specified.

There is a corollary to this: it is bad engineering to over specify. If an
engineer says that if one unit in a standard is good, then two units must be
better, he should be given his pink slip on the spot. Why? 
Because he is not applying scientific principles to his job. As a stupid
contextual example, let's imagine that Standard XYZ1234-5A states that a
trailing chain on a trolley should have 10 cm in contact with the ESD
flooring, then 100 cm must be 10 times better, even if it means that the guy
pushing the trolley trips up over the chain (in links 22.3 mm ±0.5 mm long
and 14.1 mm ±0.2 mm wide, in 25 µm ± 2 µm copper-plated Swedish Armco iron,
diameter 4 mm ±0.1 mm, with each link electrically welded and X-rayed for
weld integrity) and breaks his front teeth on the handle.

Oh! How many times in my 51 years in the electronics industry have I seen
bad engineering because some inept engineer has followed a standard or a
specification that is not relevant to the work he is doing? 
Thousands! And each time this happens, he is wasting his employer's
hard-earned cash. I am not saying that specs are bad: they are necessary in
some cases (a few?). But one ounce of common sense is frequently much better
than a tonne of documents specifying how an avionics device should be built,
when you are making I-Pods.

Can the IPC make an ANSI Standard stating that commonsense rules over all
other specs that are not absolutely relevant to the job in hand?

Brian

Joseph Sokalski wrote:
> Dear Technetters:
> 
> Has anyone seen a documented standard for the recommended drag chain 
> length attached to rolling carts? During a recent customer audit, I 
> was cited for insufficient chain contact with our ESD flooring. I 
> looked in ANSI/ESD
> S20.20-1999 and did not see any reference.
> 
> Any assistance would be appreciated.
> 
> Joseph Sokalski
> Test Technology, Inc
> 
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