Brian,
let just look at the other side of coin:  there are standards committee has
one vote per company regardless large or small.  You end up with the
standard comply with mid-low quality which everybody can more less comply.
Some of the new standard using language that is require lawyer+expert to
define additional clause in order to take effect (no teeth at all... Goya's
picture come in to mind... off topic ... sorry).  You got over welming
marketing guys in the standard committee (just look at the 1999-2000 telecom
boom time standard committee member list... full of start up VP of
marketing) drinking wine and talk about how to NOT comply with the old
standard (e.g. GR, telecordia).  Many large company eventually give up and
send someone at low level just doing "monitoring activity"...
Personally, I love the model put out by EU, ACTS.  I just wondering why
North America do not have this kind of stuff in both electronics and
telecom...
my 2 cent.
                          jk
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Advanced Communications Technology and Services, known simply as ACTS, is
one of the specific programmes of the "Fourth Framework Programme of
European Community activities in the field of research and technological
development and demonstration (1994 to 1998)"[1]. In fact, it is the focus
of the EU's research effort to accelerate deployment of advanced
communications infrastructures and services, and is complemented by
extensive European research in the related fields of information technology
and telematics. ACTS research strongly complements a broad range of
Community policy initiatives, examples of which include:


improving the competitiveness of European enterprises in global markets
achieving sustainable economic growth
creating more employment opportunities and new ways of working
strengthening the single market through the development of trans-European
networks

ACTS builds on the work of the earlier RACE programmes (Research into
Advanced Communications for Europe, 1985-1995), which were established to
contribute to the "Introduction of IBC [2] taking into account the evolving
ISDN [3] and national introduction strategies, progressing to Community-wide
services by 1995." Independent assessments have confirmed that RACE broadly
achieved this objective, and that by 1995 such technologies were beginning
to be deployed in European countries either in specialised scientific
networks or, in a few cases, as limited public services.
ACTS represents a further step towards the longer-term goal of realising a
global Information Society. This not only serves the economic interests of
the Member States but also provides a framework for European businesses to
play leading roles within their sectors of operation. Participation and
co-operation within ACTS has already become truly international in nature,
through a progressive inclusion of participants from countries outside the
EU and through an extension of scope from the core spheres of interest of
the communications industries of Member States to major international usage
interests. European industries expect major benefits for their own
competitiveness and employment strategies from being at the forefront of
world developments in communications. Within Europe, all the major
telecommunications network operators, the leading broadcasters, cable TV
operators and all the key European equipment manufacturers, together with
European Small and Medium size Enterprises (SMEs) participate in the ACTS
programme. Their enthusiasm, and sense of partnership with the major
consumers of communications coupled with their willingness to conduct
pre-competitive research in collaboration with their international rivals -
is leading to a shared vision of the future. Together these lead to the
so-called level playing field on which global competition may rapidly
develop.


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From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Brian Ellis
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 3:35 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] IEC Specifications


I'll add another weakness of the ISO/IEC system. Members of a
committee/WG must be nominated by the standardisation authority of the
country of residence. If the said authority does not approve of a
candidate, no matter how well qualified he may be, he is excluded. As a
general rule, most countries will nominate only one member to a
committee. That means that frequently, the person nominated will be the
employee of a large company that pays the most money towards the running
of the national standardisation authority, mostly in the private sector,
rather than the guy who has the best technical knowledge from a smaller
company. I could cite chapter and verse on this problem concerning
several subjects: it is not merely theoretical. I have even seen one
case of a nominee being rejected because of pressure applied by a large
multinational which had opposing commercial interests (as it happened,
the TC folded up at the three-month rule stage, because said
multinational intransigently refused point-blank to accept the draft).
No names, no pack drill.

The point is that ISO/IEC do not necessarily have the most suitably
qualified persons on their committees. This is in opposition to the IPC
system, where individuals can join committees informally. This may mean
some dead wood, but the important points are that the right guys are
there and the dead wood becomes very live, after a short time, from
listening to them.

Brian

Graham Naisbitt wrote:
> Hi Techies
>
> As a member of IEC TC91 WG3 (all under Dieters tutelage) and following
> Brian's message, permit me to clarify the situation of standards adoption
as
> I understand:
>
> If, God forbid, the end product from an electronics manufacturer was found
> responsible for a failure that resulted in a law suite, then that
> manufacturer would be held blameless had they properly used/employed the
> prevailing National Standard - industry norms don't count as National
> Standards.
>
> Under EU law, ANY IEC or ISO Standard shall, automatically, take
precedence
> over, or replace, the then prevailing National Standard of the country
> concerned.
>
> Naturally all countries who are signed-up to WTO are encouraged to
> participate and vote on new offerings made by the many and various TC's
> (Technical Committees) and their WG's (Working Groups).
>
> As with IPC, there are various voting stages, and each take time to arrive
> at consensus, ergo J-STD 004.
>
> As with IPC, the standards are reviewed for renewal or update on a 5 year
> cycle. In respect to lead-free, the cycle period is being reduced - for a
> few documents to my knowledge - to a 2 year period.
>
> IPC certainly benefits from a far greater user input and are able, for
> whatever reason, to obtain good research data faster than the IEC or ISO.
>
> All of which might be considered glacial flow, to quote Werners comment,
but
> maybe global warming is speeding-up the outpourings.....there is certainly
> enough hot air being generated!
>
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