Ya gotta watch them dangerous chemicals them eggheads
try to pass off as safe, Vern :)

It's like the state legislature of a midwestern state
trying to pass a law to make pi = 3.0000 years ago.
That one almost passed....

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_341.html

--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272         Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com    http://www.pcb-designer.com

It's my opinion, not Tektronix'



-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Garman [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 12:56
To: (Designers Council Forum); Patrick, George H
Subject: Re: [DC] Just say 'NO' to RoHS is plain wrong?


A city in california tried to ban DiHydrogen Monoxide
a while back but it didn't pass.
Check out this web site http://www.dhmo.org/


--- George Patrick <[log in to unmask]>
wrote:

> That's politicians for you.  They are the same
> everywhere.  As an example...
>
> The Oregon state legislature has decided that all
> over-the-counter
> medications containing pseudoephedrine can only be
> bought with a
> prescription in order to make it harder to
> manufacture crystal meth.  Never
> mind that the majority of meth is brought in from
> out-of-state, never mind
> that they have numerous laws against manufacturing
> drugs already on the
> books, never mind that jails are under-funded so
> they can't keep the drug
> manufacturers incarcerated for more than a few weeks
> even if they DO manage
> to convict them, passing this new law gets them free
> time on the evening
> news to show their patsies... err... constituents
> that they are Doing
> Something(c).
>
> Bill, although I wish it were as easy as "just
> saying no," how long do you
> think it's going to take Vermont, or Oregon, or
> California, or some other
> green-leaning state to pass similar laws?  Right or
> wrong, politicians are
> going to see this as a way to try to pry
> contributions out of the Sierra
> Club or the Earth Conservancy, and pass their own
> version of RoHS.  We may
> as well get used to it, it's going to happen and the
> chance of changing it
> is about equal to the chance of having an all-day
> outdoor Ice Hockey
> exhibition in Death Valley in August :)
>
> --
> George Patrick
> Tektronix, Inc.
> Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
> P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
> Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
> Phone: 503-627-5272         Fax: 503-627-5587
> http://www.tektronix.com
> http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
> It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesignerCouncil
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jack
> C.
> Olson
> Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 11:22
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] Just say 'NO' to RoHS is plain
> wrong?
>
>
> Yes, 130 MILLION cell phones will be discarded this
> year.
>
> I read that the owners of incinerators turned down
> the heat to save money,
>
> and the waste was not being burned properly and
> spewing lead into the
> environment.
> and that's how this whole thing started.
>
> I have no way to verify the truth of that,
> but I thought it was interesting that they didn't
> simply REGULATE THE
> INCINERATORS
> rather than forbid the use of one of the more
> comment elements in the
> universe!
>
> seeya,
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Brooks,Bill" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent by: DesignerCouncil <[log in to unmask]>
> 08/08/2005 12:40 PM
> Please respond to
> "(Designers Council Forum)"
> <[log in to unmask]>; Please respond to
> "Brooks,Bill" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
>
> To
> To
> [log in to unmask]
> cc
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> Subject
> Re: [DC] Just say 'NO' to RoHS is plain wrong?
>
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> Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until:
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> Category:  G90 - General Matters/Administration
>
>
> Interesting comments and opinions, I want to hear
> more... I'm not
> convinced
> yet that this RoHS thing is even slightly 'sane'...
> give me more proof.
>
> I thought the campaign of 'Just say 'No' to drugs'
> here in the US was
> pushed
> via the media very well and had an effect on the
> kids to some extent...
> but
> it was not completely affective in stopping people
> from selling drugs or
> using them anyway... It feels like somewhat futile
> to protest... I guess
> the
> futility I feel in watching the electronics industry
> go though this change
> is related to the lack of its necessity... I really
> think this is
> unnecessary and does nothing to improve the
> environment. In fact the
> landfills will be fuller, and more electronics will
> end up there due to
> tin
> whisker failures.
>
> On the other hand, I think recycling makes a lot of
> sense... that's what
> the
> WEEE initiative was supposed to be all about right?
> Electronics products
> ending up in the landfills is the argument that is
> used to justify the
> RoHS
> banning of lead in solder. But if folks do throw
> away those defective cell
> phones and laptops and don't recycle them, the
> landfills will be full of
> all
> the other materials in the manufacture of the
> products as well... and more
> often will folks be buying a new cell phone and
> throwing away the old one
> because the Tin whiskers are making them fail
> sooner... sounds like the
> reverse of the intended reduction of materials in
> the landfills. But if we
> recycle them maybe we can take the pain out of this
> to some extent.
>
> If we make reliable products that can last many
> years, they get handed
> down
> to a family member or repaired before actually
> disposing of them, they
> stay
> out of the landfills longer, and people don't need
> to buy as many of
> them...
>
> Maybe they save lives longer, and don't fail at
> critical times when we
> need
> them the most... Do you want tin whiskers growing in
> your pacemaker? Or in
> the circuit cards in the Boeing 747 you and your
> family are traveling in?
>
> Why are we taking this risk and focusing on this
> lead issue rather than
> restricting the dumping of mercury into the rivers
> and streams and lakes
> and
> oceans? I'm all for environmental protection and
> responsible recycling...
> but this ROHS initiative is political and
> economic... not and
> environmental
> protection like what it purports to be. I agree with
> Happy
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