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        I think it is strange that printed circuit boards are getting
put on center stage. If you were to take the metal toys kids buy from
vending machines at the local grocery store you would find that they
contain more lead in them then your average PCA. Yet you see no
legislation on protecting our kids our environment from those toys that
come from India, China, and other cheap labor countries. 

Ted T.
	


-----Original Message-----
From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tempea, Ioan
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:12 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why?

Dear all,

Maybe the why is deeper than we think and, if so, I sincerely hope it is
for the well being of the humanity. Maybe the political rulers are
smarter and more altruistic than we think and banning the Pb in
electronics is just the pilot project in banning lead in all (you know,
we see how banning works in electronics and then we take on
accumulators).

One thing is for sure, Pb is more related to humanity than we believe.
It exists everywhere and we interact with it on a daily basis. Is this
good, or bad? Medically speaking, having more than a certain level in
one's blood is bad for the health and that's a fact. Now I have a very
interesting dilemma: lead killed Beethoven and made his life miserable,
but, most likely, this condition sharpened his genius. Probably if he
had not been poisoned, his art would have been less powerful. So he
suffered from Pb, but we benefit from his suffering!

So the why still remains... Now it hits us in the electronics, tomorrow
it will hit other fields, but do we really have to do it at all?

Regards,
Ioan

> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brooks,Bill
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 1:35 PM
> To:   [log in to unmask]
> Subject:      Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why?
> 
> This is an interesting thread.
> 
> It completely floors me that we tend to treat the symptoms rather than
treat
> the disease in this country...
> Why we don't go back to the root of the problem or to the motivation
behind
> the solution completely evades my reasoning ability...
> 
> As far as I know, Tin/lead solder has been in use for a very, very
long
> time... with no documented ill effects. There is not one shred of
evidence
> that I have seen that has indicated the connection between electronics
> products being put in land fills and lead poisoning or disease of
fish,
> fowl, animal or man... yet we are running headlong investing in a
soldering
> process that is absolutely worse than tin/lead soldering...much less
> reliable, more costly, and for what?
> 
> Where is the hard evidence that this is needed or even wise? It is
like you
> said... the 'emperor's new clothes' syndrome....
> 
> I think some folks are in for a rude awakening...
> 
> Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
> PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
> Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
> Datron World Communications, Inc.
> _______________________________________
> San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council
> Communications Officer, Web Manager
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> http://pcbwizards.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Graham Collins [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 6:42 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] Lead-Free, Why?
> 
> I'm guessing Ramon has already been affected, I know we have, and are
in
> similar industries.  Prices seem to be climbing for Pb materials - as
> can be predicted by the reality of decreased volume production.  And,
> more importantly, component finishes are being changes - some times
with
> different part numbers, some times with notification as bogus as a "pb
> free" sticker stuck on the side of the reel of parts.
> 
> Ah well.  Buy the ticket, take the ride.  Next thing they'll be
banning
> copper...
> 
> regards,
> 
> Graham Collins
> Process Engineer,
> L-3 Communications Electronic Systems Inc.
> Halifax
> (902) 873-2000 ext 6215
> 
> >>> [log in to unmask] 06/15/05 10:18AM >>>
> Hi Ramon,
> it is that kind of thinking that gets us into trouble. Just because
you
> are
> not exporting to the EU, or because your part of the industry is
> exempt, does
> NOT mean that you are not affected--YOU WILL BE AFFECTED. that is
> because, you
> will not be able to buy SnPb-parts.
> 
> Werner
> 
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