I believe in Asia they will implement the change without asking the
user.
Jeffrey Bush
Director, Quality Assurance and Technical Support
VERMONT CIRCUITS INCORPORATED
76 Technology Drive - POB 1890
Brattleboro, Vermont 05302
Voice: 802.257.4571.21 Fax: 802.257.0011
http://www.vtcircuits.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang E. Erat [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:59 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [TN] SMOBC question...
curious .. why does it cost "tens of thousands of dollars" to "roll the
revision" , In Asia it costs about $ 1.00. Could that be the reason why
most
of the high volume business moved to Asia ?
Wolfgang
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ryan Grant" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TN] SMOBC question...
> That "roll the revision" complaint is valid for the designer. Even in
> the non-Military realm, it cost tens of thousands of dollars to get
> product #XXX-revision X qualified with customer A, and they only do
> qualifications within certain windows of opportunity. Changing a
> revision of a drawing often means requalifying, and if the window is
> closed, loss of sales because the product is no longer qualified,
which
> could mean losses of millions of dollars... Whew! Who'd of thought
> that just changing a little thing would cost so much. It's pretty
> frustrating and makes a guy want to just slap someone!
>
> Ryan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Stephen Gregory
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [TN] SMOBC question...
>
> Jack,
>
> I wish there were designers like you at the customers
> we deal with...and sometimes (to make the communication
> problem even worse), a design is not our customers design,
> but something they have outsourced.
>
> But even if you do get to communicate with the actual designer,
> and then find out that a note on the drawing is pretty meaningless,
> and makes the fab that much harder to build, many times I have
> heard; "Well, if we remove the note from the drawing, that'll mean
> we'll have to roll the revision on the drawing, and that's just too
much
> trouble..."
>
> Kind regards,
>
> -Steve Gregory-
> Senior Process Engineer
> LaBarge Incorporated
> Tulsa, Oklahoma
> (918) 459-2285
> (918) 459-2350 FAX
>
>
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>
>
>
> Why are vendors so reluctant to ask the customer what is the intention
> behind their vague notes?
>
> As a board designer, I wish vendors would just ask me what I meant,
> instead of trying to get a consensus on a forum.
>
> Jack (the "lone voice crying in the wilderness" guy)
>
>
> ----- Message from Stephen Gregory <[log in to unmask]> on
Tue,
> 17 May 2005 08:03:12 -0500 -----
> Subject:
> Re: SMOBC question...
> Hi Jeffery,
>
> The board that I'm talking about doesn't seem to be that old
> design-wise. So do you think that maybe the note is just something
> kind of got "boiler-plated" from earlier designs?
>
> A description of the board is that it is a VME styled board, and
> everything
> on the board is SMT including headers, right angle push button
switches,
> etc., the only through-hole is two press-fit right angle connectors.
So
> the
> board is never going to see wave solder.
>
> The board is 15-layers and only .065" thick. Do you think that maybe
the
> reason they have the note prohibiting HASL is because they don't want
> to thermally shock the board which may cause other problems?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> -Steve Gregory-
> Senior Process Engineer
> LaBarge Incorporated
> Tulsa, Oklahoma
> (918) 459-2285
> (918) 459-2350 FAXJack C. Olson
> 10G Circuit Board Designer
> (630) 754-2431
>
>
>
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