No, those beasts, at that time, were made by the Rootes Group which were
bought out by Chrysler about 2 years later. Rootes made the Sunbeam,
Hillman, Singer and Humber. Chrysler imported American technology into
manufacturing, which drove them into dust about 1970 because the
reliability went down the hill. In 1960, I ran a Hillman Minx which had
a tamed down version of the Alpine engine with a single carb. In 1965 (I
think) I bought a Hillman Super Minx GT Station Wagon. It had a
souped-up Alpine engine with 4 NSU carbs, oversize valves and a 10.5:1
compression ratio. If my memory is good, it developed 150 BHP which
wasn't bad for a 1600 cc motor of those days. Having a station wagon
gearbox with wide ratios and a low back axle ratio, you had to be
careful on acceleration: at the lights, it would beat anything on 4
wheels for the first 500 m. Those were the days. The worst car the
Rootes Group produced was the Hillman and Sunbeam Imp. It was supposed
to be the replique of the Mini, but it really was a horror, with a rear
diecast engine and bodywork that rusted while it was still a photo in
the brochure.
Brian
Jason Gregory wrote:
> Hey! Didn't those Sunbeams have Ford 289s?
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bloomquist, Ken
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> Subject: Re: [TN] NTC Flux Cored Solder Shelf Life
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> Hi Mike,
>
> Are you one of those fanatical restoration guys? I've heard of using
> upholstery from the same year as your car but solder is carrying it a little
> too far.
>
> I have a 1960 Sunbeam Alpine. Do you have any 45 year old solder I could
> borrow?
>
> Happy Friday,
>
> KennyB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: TechNet [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Mike Fenner
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> Subject: Re: [TN] Flux Cored Solder Shelf Life
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>
> Yes the high lead alloys will blacken off over a few years, resurrect if you
> feel strongly enough by drawing the wire through a piece of folded paper a
> few times before use.
> Ordinary tin lead will be OK, at least the last one of my 1970s solder wire
> spools still works fine, [satisfyingly as I last used it for repairing the
> wiring loom on my 74 Triumph. Totally authentic period repair therefore]
>
> Regards
>
> Mike
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>
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> Subject: Re: [TN] Flux Cored Solder Shelf Life
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>
> Hi Gregg! Brian provided a great summary on the aging aspects of the flux
> core - I can provide some information on solder. There is a "default" shelf
> life for flux cored solder due to the oxidation of the solder alloy itself.
> All solder alloys oxidize over time so there will be a point where it would
> be prudent to no longer use an "old" flux cored solder roll. I have been
> "collecting" old flux core solder rolls from various areas of our
> manufacturing operations as "spring cleaning", part number revision, and
> facility re-layout activities happen. Its has been a good way to keep
> various odd solder alloy, flux combinations, and wire diameter variants on
> hand. We just put one of those older rolls into the recycle bin - I had an
> old Alpha Metals 10Sn/88Pb/2Ag solder roll with a "energized rosin" core
> from the 70's that finally accumulated a thick enough oxidized skin that
> inhibited soldering. I believe most of us would consider 30+ years of use
> as indefinite shelf life!
>
> Dave Hillman
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> TechNetters:
>
> A student of mine has asked, what is the shelf life of flux cored
> solder?
>
> In reviewing J-STD-001 and J-STD-004 I can't find any specific guidance
> or requirements from the Standards. I know newer rolls of solder
> (depending upon the manufacturer) have date codes and expiration dates.
>
> However, they have a wire solder spool still being used today that was
> entered into their HazMat system in 1998 (no actual record of the
> precise date of manufacture). The wire spool is removed from their
> HazMat system when needed to uncontrolled/undocumented working
> environments within their facility. Since the standards don't specify a
> shelf life, what is considered best industry practices or is there a
> Standard dealing with this issue?
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> Thanks for your responses.
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> Gregg A. Owens
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